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Post by johno on Jun 20, 2008 16:31:47 GMT -5
I'm looking for perennial grains of just about any sort. I'd like to get them by the end of summer, but anytime after I'll still be interested.
I have several types of seed to trade - surely something of use.
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Post by canadamike on Jun 20, 2008 22:05:25 GMT -5
Perennial grains? Please keep me posted, or even better, educate me on that one, please please please...  |
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Post by orflo on Jun 21, 2008 0:00:43 GMT -5
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Post by stratcat on Jun 21, 2008 0:19:36 GMT -5
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Post by johno on Jun 22, 2008 23:57:56 GMT -5
This is where I got the idea: www.seedambassadors.org/Mainpages/still/seedlist/seedlist.htm...it's the European seed list from the Seed Ambassador's Project. I wrote asking if it's possible to get them here, haven't heard back yet. Good links, orflo and stratcat. I tried loading Tim's website from that last link which explains Tim's work into perennial grains, but it didn't work for me... Apparently they are all available there, so I'll have to try again later. This looks like an area that could use some selection work from people like us here at Homegrown Goodness. Also, perennial grains would be a good use for our fallow fields here in 'the valley.' |
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Post by canadamike on Jun 23, 2008 14:08:02 GMT -5
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Post by ottawagardener on Oct 28, 2008 8:14:49 GMT -5
Talking from the top of my head here. Panicum has edible seeds (bird seed, millet, lots of natives) though I am not sure of the palatibility of all varieties but some are perennial. Just something interesting.
Also I there are perennial varieties of buckwheat though apparently they produce less abundant grain than the annual varieties.
Our youngest has celiac disease so I am always looking for alternative grains that are self sufficient and ideally easy to thresh, gluten free and productive. Oh and perennial would be great.
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Post by bunkie on Nov 2, 2008 16:08:37 GMT -5
how'd i miss this thread???! we purchased a couple packs of perennial wheat from peters seed research and Mountaineer perennial rye from Bountiful Gardens this spring and planted them. i started them in the greenhouse and after the late June snow and cold we had (which is very unusual), i put them in the ground. really big healthy plants and very rootbound, tho they transplanted pretty easily and took off right away. both plants were like little grass bushes. later in the season, the stalks formed with beards. i finished harvesting them a week or so ago and they're drying now. the wheat was extremely productive but the rye wasn't so much. we're going to save most of the seed to extend the patches next year and will grind some to see how we like it. i love the fact it's sown once and produces every year! here's a couple pics.... perennial wheat.......... www.imageuploads.net/ims/pic.php?u=27615PDlUo&i=172185wheat closeup...see how it grows like a clump of grass then shoots up stalks with the seed on it...the perennial rye does the same thing but is a shade of blue. both are beautiful...... www.imageuploads.net/ims/pic.php?u=27615PDlUo&i=172186perennial rye... www.imageuploads.net/ims/pic.php?u=27615PDlUo&i=167819www.imageuploads.net/ims/pic.php?u=27615PDlUo&i=172167ottawagardener, we also grew other grains like sorghum, northern sugarcane, and hulless barley. someone told me that sorghum flour (from the seeds) is really expensive (like 7 bucks a pound!) and is gluten free! i am going to grind some and see how we like it. i think mixed with the wheat and rye, it would make a lighter dough. also am going to try a barley flour! there's no end to the fun here!!! the sorghum we planted wasn't the sugar/syrup type. next year we will try that kind and try the juice. and, even tho it's late, i'm going to try juicing the sugarcane. the stalks are still very thick and green inside. black amber sorghum... www.imageuploads.net/ims/pic.php?u=27615PDlUo&i=158139hulless barley... www.imageuploads.net/ims/pic.php?u=1512HsPBM&i=156141 northern sugarcane and barley www.imageuploads.net/ims/pic.php?u=1512HsPBM&i=156139 northern sugarcane, barley, sorghum...sorghum's starting to head (a couple).... www.imageuploads.net/ims/pic.php?u=1512HsPBM&i=156140 |
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Post by canadamike on Nov 2, 2008 18:05:03 GMT -5
I can't access your images Bunkie. It keeps saying they contain a mistake. Is there a chance we could trade some seeds? I would love some perennial wheat, but they don't list it anymore.
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Post by bunkie on Nov 2, 2008 19:57:19 GMT -5
I can't access your images Bunkie. It keeps saying they contain a mistake. Is there a chance we could trade some seeds? I would love some perennial wheat, but they don't list it anymore. mike, i don't know what's wrong. anyone else having trouble seeing them? PM me your email mike and i'll email the pics to you. as far trading seed mike, you betcha! ;D i don't know how much i'll have this year cause we want to extend the patches and test hop the quality of the flour. when they finish drying and i get them cleaned, i'll email you. |
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Post by plantsnobin on Nov 2, 2008 20:31:10 GMT -5
I didn't have any trouble viewing them, and I must say your place looks like paradise!
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Post by stratcat on Nov 2, 2008 22:20:33 GMT -5
Nice pictures, Bunkie! Especially like the thought of perennial wheat.  john |
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Post by canadamike on Nov 2, 2008 22:47:03 GMT -5
Firefox can't open them, but Internet Explorer can. Great pictures!!
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Post by orflo on Nov 3, 2008 0:34:35 GMT -5
No problems seeing the pictures, and, yes, I'm interested in trading as well  The black sorghum, perennial wheat and rye interest me, I've sown some perennial rye in summer, but the seeds were too old, so no germination  And your garden does look wonderful !! Old grain varieties, generally speaking, are in fact threatened, the situation as far worse compared to tomatoes or peppers everybody focusses on. Smalll growers don't plant or sow grains easily, considering the work it brings, and also due to the fact the finished product is readily available and quite cheap. And all these oldies disappear, farmers grow out hybrid varieties, with the necessary treatments (which sometimes aren't necessary when growing old varieties), from fungi-killing toxic stuff to even 'reducing-height' fluids (sorry, have difficulties translating this), thus keeping the wheat or rye or... on the ideal 50 cms height. Old wheat or rye reaches up to 2 metres (depending on variety), has more natural resistance and is better tasting. So, try and save these old varieties, even if it's just one square metre in your garden, and you don't want to go through the trouble treshing and cleaning them, these oldies can be important to save a genetic base existing for over thousands of years, and that base is quickly disappearing now  |
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Post by grungy on Nov 3, 2008 4:40:42 GMT -5
Bunkie, if you have a few spare grains, could I be put on you list as well?
Cheers,
Val (aka grungy)
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