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Post by canadamike on Nov 1, 2012 0:07:27 GMT -5
This summer, upon recommandation from a friend In NC, I bought a bottle of ODC, made in Colorado. ODC is a colloidal form of chitosan, itself being a liquid extract of chitine from shrimp shells. So...hugely concentrated chitine it is. There are over 200 billions of molecules per drop. It was invented by Dr Stoner, the inventor of aeroponics, for NASA. They had problems up there in the space station, their soy experiments turned always bad: everything would become moldy. It is the only thing they found..they are organic up there in the sky ;D It is sold as a plant immunity system booster. Lots of researches done, go on their web site www.aeroponics.com/aero123.htmODC means Organic Disease Control. It turns out that the exoskeleton of these bugs is also made of chitine. It seems they do not like the smell of millions of molecules of dead bodies... My friend is a professional arboriculturist. Down there they have problems, bugs named southern pine beetles are destroying them. He puts two drops of ODC in his 5 gallons backpack sprayer and spray the ground around the trees, spray them too...and the bugs simply go away. I tried it when I had a severe infestation in my cukes and melons. They were covered when I came back from a trip. The next day they were all gone. I saw no remnants, no dead bug, they simply were gone. Very effective repulsive. I only saw 3 lonely visitors in the following weeks. We had the exact same result in the Montreal area where one of my clients, a big melon and squash grower had his infestation. But of course it was trialed on a much bigger scale. The sell two products, ODC, which I think is not OMRI certified, and Beyond, which is as an adjuvant. Beyond is simply ODC diluted in 4 parts water. A little bottle is expensive, around 20 or 30$, but it goes a very very very long way at two drops per 5 gallons of water...
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Post by floricole on Nov 1, 2012 7:23:14 GMT -5
thanks for sharing Mike. I will try it and will try for the Scarlet lily beetle
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Post by Darth Slater on Nov 2, 2012 2:20:42 GMT -5
Wow!! Will this work on potato beetles and squash bugs?
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Post by canadamike on Nov 3, 2012 15:28:55 GMT -5
I do not know...I suspect it could, but have no proof...all I can tell you is that «I followed my gut instinct and tried it on the cucurbits with success. I had potatoes in the ground this year, but since it is a first year in a new place, as it often happens, I never saw a CPB As for squah bugs, I never saw one in my life, they are not a problem here. I suspect critters made out of chitine are all hating it...but then CPB are a weird bunch Stupid critters, I think they conquer the world by being idiots it is all a number game lol They are the Tea Party of the insect world ;D
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Post by circumspice on Nov 3, 2012 20:32:31 GMT -5
I thought that all insects who have exoskeletons, have exoskeletons made up of chiton.
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Post by Drahkk on Nov 3, 2012 21:24:07 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing this. I'll be ordering some to try next spring. I hate spraying poison, but the squash bugs and cucumber beetles were so bad this year I couldn't keep plants alive long enough to get a crop without it. If this winter is as mild as last year's, they'll be just as bad next year. Plus the kudzu bugs were spotted near here, so we'll have them to deal with as well. I hope this stuff works as well here as it did for you. I'll let you know how it turns out.
MB
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Post by YoungAllotmenteer on Nov 4, 2012 15:39:00 GMT -5
Wonder if it would work on rabbits.............. ;D
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Post by steev on Nov 4, 2012 23:01:36 GMT -5
Only on the beetle-rabbit hybrids.
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Post by circumspice on Nov 4, 2012 23:27:56 GMT -5
Only on the beetle-rabbit hybrids. A chimera? ;D
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Post by canadamike on Nov 5, 2012 17:05:56 GMT -5
Get it from HERE: greenplantfuel.com/...You will pay the same price and the guy has practical knowledge about it, so you could talk to him....he is actually using a dosage smaller than the recommended one...more money in your pockets And he has another stuff, called green plant fuel ( he named his business according to it) that works great on making plants flower like crazy.... And tomatoes....cukes, squashes....are all plants from which we want lots of flowers. It is a mix of some rice sugars with other stuff....anyway, plants need to manufacture nectar, it helps them do that, so less energy spent for it, more energy for more flowers. We use a similar trick in organic soy beans here: molasses.....but they do not seem to be as efficient. You can talk to Barney and believe him. You will not get a lie from that man.
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Post by davida on Nov 9, 2012 1:21:42 GMT -5
Get it from HERE: greenplantfuel.com/...You will pay the same price and the guy has practical knowledge about it, so you could talk to him....he is actually using a dosage smaller than the recommended one...more money in your pockets And he has another stuff, called green plant fuel ( he named his business according to it) that works great on making plants flower like crazy.... And tomatoes....cukes, squashes....are all plants from which we want lots of flowers. It is a mix of some rice sugars with other stuff....anyway, plants need to manufacture nectar, it helps them do that, so less energy spent for it, more energy for more flowers. We use a similar trick in organic soy beans here: molasses.....but they do not seem to be as efficient. You can talk to Barney and believe him. You will not get a lie from that man. CanadaMike, Is the green plant fuel similar to Lactic Acid Bacteria (LAB) and/or do you have any experience with LAB? This fall I began producing LAB by fermenting rice sugars, placing this in raw milk to eliminate all bacterias except the LAB and then mixing the clear fluid with molasses. The LAB is suppose to have many uses. Or if anybody else has experience with LAB, I would enjoy your comments. David
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Post by canadamike on Nov 14, 2012 0:56:55 GMT -5
I dunno...it comes in the form of a powder and is not super stable, which explains it is done in small batches only apparently.
I never worked with LAB, can you tell me more...can we read about this one somewhere???
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Post by davida on Nov 15, 2012 15:50:58 GMT -5
I never worked with LAB, can you tell me more...can we read about this one somewhere??? CanadaMike, Your posts on foliar feedings sparked my interest. Research on foliar feeding took me to Korean Natural Farming and then to EM (Effective Microorganisms) being sold as EM-1. EM-1 is used in Asia in the mass production of chickens and hogs to control the odor. It seems to be very effective. It is also suppose to help animals to digest a higher percentage of the nutrients in their food. And it is suppose to "sweeten" the plant and soil in foliar feeding. EM-1 is suppose to be especially popular in Japan. I found all of this interesting but found very little data from the US or Canada except for Bokashi composting using EM-1 that is gaining some momentum. The more that I reseached EM, I concluded that lactic adid bacteria (LAB) seemed to be the main component. EM-1 is expensive at $ 60 per gallon. I can make LAB with a little rice, water, milk and molassas. Since LAB is the active ingredient in yogurt that helps "sweeten" human's digestive system, it seems feasible that LAB could be useful in animals and plants. And since you have made comments about the effectiveness of "rice sugars" and using diluted milk, it seems even more feasible. I have produced the LAB and it is effective at contorlling odors but I have not had the opportunity to use it on plants, yet. Sorry, that I can not give you one good article to read. I obtained my information in bits and pieces from many places including some of the best from YouTube videos. Unfortunately, I did not document all the sources. David
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Post by floricole on Nov 16, 2012 10:01:36 GMT -5
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Post by davida on Nov 16, 2012 10:51:54 GMT -5
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