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Post by Hristo on May 12, 2009 9:39:23 GMT -5
Ami means Michael (michaeljohnson), not Michel (canadamike). Maybe it is not very difficult to propagate at home these beneficial fungi and bacterias when you have good recipes and some skill, but store bought is not always worse than home grown. Store bought stuff most often will contain and species/races that currently are not present in our areas. These "foreigners" can prove beneficial too.
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Post by amideutch on May 12, 2009 13:08:04 GMT -5
I have not gotten into the propagation and or production of mycorrhizae. For me it would not be cost effective to do so and since inoculation is done once on plant out and normally no more applications are required. Mycorrhizae is not expensive for the hobby gardener as an ounce is more than enough to inoculate the 50 tomato plants I end up growing. A test was done by Ray Newstead who designed and built the EarthTainer using snow pea's as the test subject. 3 earthtainers were set up the same with the following exception. Container#1 had no additional amendments. #2 was Inoculated with mycorrhizae and #3 was inoculated with Actinovate which is a biological fungicide made with the bacterium Streptomyces lydicus. At the last update #2 and #3 were outpacing #1 in growth and production and #3 was slightly ahead of #2. So these bacterium that originate in the soil do work and not only increase growth and vigor but fight disease as well. Ami
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Post by bunkie on May 14, 2009 10:12:52 GMT -5
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Post by amideutch on May 14, 2009 12:43:03 GMT -5
You can do a google on EM or EM1 (effective microorganisms) and get a wealth of information. Are they the same animal as mycorrhizae, no just a different microorganism. I get my molasses from a EM site here in Germany. Here's a link that might interest you. Ami www.tandjenterprises.com/brix_equals_quality.htm
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Post by michaeljohnson on May 15, 2009 0:51:32 GMT -5
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Post by Hristo on May 15, 2009 4:50:45 GMT -5
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Post by bunkie on May 15, 2009 22:58:57 GMT -5
ami, no offense taken here. i appreciate any info anyone is posting on this subject. i find it fascinaying.
Hristo, thanks for that link, but it looks like they are two different things maybe, they are and we are talking about? i guess i have a lot more resarch to do.
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Post by michaeljohnson on May 16, 2009 9:09:36 GMT -5
Ami- it's not what you say-it's the way that you say it, that hurts. Especially after four years or more of tomato info and seed exchanges. Oh"- let's just forget it and be done, I shall probably go away for a couple of days and have a good sulk about it, and feel better afterwards.
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Post by Alan on Jun 8, 2009 23:40:47 GMT -5
OK,
I stuck this thing to the top because it interests me and should be here for future reference, later I'll probably move it to a more appropriate part of the forum like "soil bulding".
Anyhow, I did do some creative edits to some of the posts between the two personalites in conflict in this thread, no hard feelings towards either of you and I hope you both get it worked out, just wanted to leave up the relevant information regarding this subject without personal feelings getting involved.
Thanks guys!
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Post by michaeljohnson on Jun 9, 2009 1:25:17 GMT -5
Do you know- the issue confused me so much and got me all frustrated about it, that I had already bought a supply of the mycorrhizal fungus to incorporate in all my planting holes when planting out my tomatoes, and then I went and forgot to use it didn't I, and now all my plants are planted out already,- I wonder if there is any way I can still use it after I have planted them out.
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Post by bunkie on Jun 9, 2009 8:36:20 GMT -5
mj, i thought it could be used as a foliar spray? or even sprayed on the soil around the plants? at least that's my understanding with the homemade LB and EM/MIB.
i'm still experimenting making LB. i made a gallon jug with rice and water, then strained, added milk, skimmed the floating serum, then added molasses. but, something doesn't seem right about it. i think i didn't strain it well enough. have started another batch and am readying to start an EM/BIM batch today with some olf Alfalfa pellets. anyone else attampting to make their own?
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Post by elkwc36 on Jun 9, 2009 12:49:46 GMT -5
Alan, Please move it where it needs to be. When I posted it I didn't give it any thought where it should be. I'm trying two different types this summer. Trying to keep good records so hopefully I'll have some comparison this fall after the season is over. Jay
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Post by grunt on Jun 10, 2009 1:25:45 GMT -5
Michael: Just get it in the soil close to the plant roots. It will join with the roots in symbiosis, if I understand correctly.
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Post by amideutch on Jun 10, 2009 3:27:12 GMT -5
I do now have a book on the subject I just purchased so will be better able to understand what's going on in the Rhizosphere and the role the different bacteria play in the scheme of things. Title is "Handbook of Microbial Biofertilizers" by M. K. Rai. Ami
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Post by dogwoman on Jun 10, 2009 8:14:02 GMT -5
Thank you, CanadaMike, for the recipe. I have been burying bits of mushroom stems, hoping to assist in development of beneficial root fungus. It seems I have all of the ingredients you have listed right here, including three rotten apples, no need to go shopping. I purchased a large package of yeast at Costco, for a very good price. Now there is no worry to use it all up in break making before the expiration date.
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