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Post by mickey on Dec 29, 2009 23:43:07 GMT -5
I grew 48 Virginia Gold plants, 35 Golden Seal Special plants, 28 Otter Tail Havana plants, 16 Walker Broad leaf plants. And for seed 4 Preique two of I bagged for seed. 2 Brown leaf plants, 2 TA16 Burley, 1 Orino plant, 4 Conn shade leaf plants, 5 Common smoking tobacco plants, 2 Goose Creek Red plants, 2 Silk leaf plants, 2 Tenn. TN90 plants And 3 Shirley plants. I bagged two of each plants for seeds so they wouldn't cross. I had 5 plants that didn't make it after the hail storm but the rest pulled through. Attachments:
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Post by Alan on Dec 30, 2009 21:30:09 GMT -5
I grew 48 Virginia Gold plants, 35 Golden Seal Special plants, 28 Otter Tail Havana plants, 16 Walker Broad leaf plants. And for seed 4 Preique two of I bagged for seed. 2 Brown leaf plants, 2 TA16 Burley, 1 Orino plant, 4 Conn shade leaf plants, 5 Common smoking tobacco plants, 2 Goose Creek Red plants, 2 Silk leaf plants, 2 Tenn. TN90 plants And 3 Shirley plants. I bagged two of each plants for seeds so they wouldn't cross. I had 5 plants that didn't make it after the hail storm but the rest pulled through. Wow my friend, that is quite a list and another wonderful picture, when you have some seed available I would love to get some of those varieties that I don't have from you. I have bred my own tobacco variety for which you could look around the forum and find some more information on, but it is a white burley type I bred as extra credit in high school. It's a short, wide leafed type white burley of great smoking quality that can easily be grown in a five gallon nursery pot called Robert Johnson Mississipi Delta Burley and it is actually probably my favorite breeding project thus far. If you want some I can send you a few seed of it.
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Post by tekwyzrd on Dec 31, 2009 17:26:59 GMT -5
Still deciding on most but I know that Pennsylvania Red Leaf, Perique, Mammoth Gold, White Gold, Chobie's Gold, Mohawk rustica, Mt. Pima rustica, and Burley Mammoth will be among them. There's always the possibility of more if I find willing hosts in my area. Howdy tekwyzrd, the Preique is a true winner in many ways, it's on my yearly grow list. A few of those I've never grown, once you increase seed I would like to make a trade with you. I'll send a pm later this evening with a list of the seed types I have from this year's crop. There are a few strains I have very little of but for most I have varying quantities from 3/4 to almost 2 ounces. I let the best plant or two of each type flower. The perique seed I planted came from an ebay seller in Louisiana as did the yellow orinoco. I don't have seeds from several strains I grew due to late flowering and a few tulle coverings that ripped but I did get seed from 16 of the 25 types I planted. The total was 215 planted but some were a loss due to late planting and location. I'd say I had about 180 useful plants. This year I'll set the target at 200 and start them in early April so they're more mature for mid-May planting. If all goes well a good portion of the leaf will be hanging in the barn curing in the August heat. Three months later I should have a nice sucker crop to hang.
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Post by mickey on Dec 31, 2009 22:09:36 GMT -5
I grew 48 Virginia Gold plants, 35 Golden Seal Special plants, 28 Otter Tail Havana plants, 16 Walker Broad leaf plants. And for seed 4 Preique two of I bagged for seed. 2 Brown leaf plants, 2 TA16 Burley, 1 Orino plant, 4 Conn shade leaf plants, 5 Common smoking tobacco plants, 2 Goose Creek Red plants, 2 Silk leaf plants, 2 Tenn. TN90 plants And 3 Shirley plants. I bagged two of each plants for seeds so they wouldn't cross. I had 5 plants that didn't make it after the hail storm but the rest pulled through. Wow my friend, that is quite a list and another wonderful picture, when you have some seed available I would love to get some of those varieties that I don't have from you. I have bred my own tobacco variety for which you could look around the forum and find some more information on, but it is a white burley type I bred as extra credit in high school. It's a short, wide leafed type white burley of great smoking quality that can easily be grown in a five gallon nursery pot called Robert Johnson Mississipi Delta Burley and it is actually probably my favorite breeding project thus far. If you want some I can send you a few seed of it. I looked all through this part of the forum and didn't find the information on your Robert Johnson Mississipi Delta Burley. I did find the story where you started at the age of 8 cutting tobacco on your farm. I'm interested in your Robert Johnson Mississipi Delta Burley. if there is a story on how you developed it please point me to it. Here is a stringing horse I copied from one in the Eastern North Caralina digtal library. Attachments:
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Post by mickey on Dec 31, 2009 22:12:48 GMT -5
I grew 48 Virginia Gold plants, 35 Golden Seal Special plants, 28 Otter Tail Havana plants, 16 Walker Broad leaf plants. And for seed 4 Preique two of I bagged for seed. 2 Brown leaf plants, 2 TA16 Burley, 1 Orino plant, 4 Conn shade leaf plants, 5 Common smoking tobacco plants, 2 Goose Creek Red plants, 2 Silk leaf plants, 2 Tenn. TN90 plants And 3 Shirley plants. I bagged two of each plants for seeds so they wouldn't cross. I had 5 plants that didn't make it after the hail storm but the rest pulled through. Wow my friend, that is quite a list and another wonderful picture, when you have some seed available I would love to get some of those varieties that I don't have from you. I have bred my own tobacco variety for which you could look around the forum and find some more information on, but it is a white burley type I bred as extra credit in high school. It's a short, wide leafed type white burley of great smoking quality that can easily be grown in a five gallon nursery pot called Robert Johnson Mississipi Delta Burley and it is actually probably my favorite breeding project thus far. If you want some I can send you a few seed of it. I looked all through this part of the forum and didn't find the information on your Robert Johnson Mississipi Delta Burley. I did find the story where you started at the age of 8 cutting tobacco on your farm. I'm interested in your Robert Johnson Mississipi Delta Burley. if there is a story on how you developed it please point me to it. Here is a stringing horse I copied from one in the Eastern North Caralina digtal library. Sorry there was a hikup there any how here is the horse loaded with the Walker's tobacco. and yes I would like to trade some tobacco seeds.
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Post by mickey on Dec 31, 2009 22:20:04 GMT -5
OK here is the Walker on the horse. Attachments:
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Post by ozarklady on Dec 31, 2009 22:25:44 GMT -5
That stringing horse really looks interesting. I had a terrible time trying to hang tobacco leaves, whether priming, or stalk hanging. At one point, I actually sat there with needle and sewing thread... what alot of time, and what did they do? The fan got them all tangled up.. Word to the wise... don't use plain sewing thread! Do you by any chance have plans for building a stringing horse similar to this one?
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Post by mickey on Dec 31, 2009 22:50:17 GMT -5
That stringing horse really looks interesting. I had a terrible time trying to hang tobacco leaves, whether priming, or stalk hanging. At one point, I actually sat there with needle and sewing thread... what alot of time, and what did they do? The fan got them all tangled up.. Word to the wise... don't use plain sewing thread! Do you by any chance have plans for building a stringing horse similar to this one? Mary Ann I just went by eye from the photo in the Library to copy mine. The photo in the Library is moveable with your mouse so you can look at all sides of the horse. the old one used a tin can to hold the string ball where I used a peg to hold my ball of string. It's just to hold the tobacco stick at a good working hight and to hold the string handy. If you look at the photo of the Walker on the horse and click on the photo it will enlarge and you can see that the string is just looped around four leaves that are frount to front and back to back so they don't crul around each other. Working alone it only took me about ten minites or less to load that stick with the Walker tobacco.
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Post by tekwyzrd on Dec 31, 2009 23:15:01 GMT -5
This year I strung the leaves on T-135 bonded nylon thread, five to twenty leaves per string depending on the size. I tied loops on both ends and hung the strung primed ripe leaves by both ends on pieces of pipe sitting with the ends supported by 40 gallon polyethylene drums. I'd leave them hanging in the sun for a few days to break down more of the chlorophyll and get the color process nearly completed before transferring them to the barn. Then I'd hang the strings of tobacco on lengths of clothes line hung across the barn by one loop and arrange the leaves in a spiral to allow air flow over the leaves. By hanging the leaf strung vertically I was able to maximize the capacity of the space. No fans or electricity to cure, just natural cross-ventilation and the ambient high daytime temperature in the structure. I estimate the temperature was typically thirty degrees hotter than the outdoor temperature ( I'd be covered in a sheet of sweat almost immediately) but I'd often stand there enthralled by the smell of the curing tobacco. As I've commented elsewhere, there was something about it that was extremely familiar and comforting, like a long forgotten memory. I'm looking forward to making use of the thermo-hygro monitors I purchased this fall to find out exactly how hot it gets up there. It's a prime location for curing burley tobaccos. Leaf is nice and pliable early in the day but dries late in the day. Next morning, nice and pliable again. This year I'll buy some 2x4s and cheap steel pipe and make longer racks to increase my capacity. I'll use the polyethylene drums (detergent drums from a friend who works at a laundry service) to collect rain water. Compost for fertilizer, neem oil for insect control, tea tree oil for fungal control... if all goes well I'll have another excellent crop. Time to make another cigarette of my most recent eight leaf blend.
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Post by Alan on Jan 1, 2010 14:38:22 GMT -5
Got your PM Tekwyzard, will reply shortly.
Robert Johnson was a complicated cross between KY 7 X KY5 X one of the Kentucky Hybrids I can't remember at the moment, facilitated with a q-tip. Grown out for 7 years, but never heavily selected for stability, I wanted a bit of variation which I most certainly have.
One thing about Tobacco outcrossing, it's actually fairly rare and not entirely necessary to cover the blooms, most of the time you won't end up with any crosses or a very small percentage, maybe 5%.
To cure mine, I still use the old method for burleys and virginias we used when this was a tobacco farm. Speared onto a stick and hung in the barn to come into case, stripped into graded hands which are tied together with cotton rope, allowed to mellow a bit, misted with water ocassionally, untied, put in a pile, misted and flipped for a couple months to ferment, shredded and put away to age a bit.
I have made some pressure cured stuff before, but it hasn't turned out exactly as I want it just yet, but I stick to the low tech stuff mostly.
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Post by mickey on Jan 3, 2010 19:02:31 GMT -5
That stringing horse really looks interesting. I had a terrible time trying to hang tobacco leaves, whether priming, or stalk hanging. At one point, I actually sat there with needle and sewing thread... what alot of time, and what did they do? The fan got them all tangled up.. Word to the wise... don't use plain sewing thread! Do you by any chance have plans for building a stringing horse similar to this one? Mary Ann I can send you the link to the Eastern North Carolina digital library page where the old stringing horse is shown, and on the same page there is a video showing how it's used. it's just some broads nailed together to make a stand for the tobacco sticks, Let me know it you would like the link.
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Post by mickey on Jan 9, 2010 12:43:06 GMT -5
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Post by Alan on Jan 10, 2010 20:15:30 GMT -5
Hey Mickey, check your private messages on here, I just send you one about setting up a trade
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Post by mickey on Jan 10, 2010 21:46:36 GMT -5
Hey Mickey, check your private messages on here, I just send you one about setting up a trade Alan sent one back at you. ;D
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Post by ozarklady on Jan 10, 2010 23:03:59 GMT -5
I had difficulty hanging tobacco. Finally, I tried something that was fast and efficient for me. I just put the tobacco on a garden cart, and wheeled it to the shed. I had lumber, with a lot of small finish nails in it. These nails are painted for panelling. So perhaps they won't rust so quickly. Anyhow, hanging was a breeze, and I can move them closer together as they leaves dry, which saved me some space. They couldn't tangle either like they did when I tried sewing them together and draping the lines. If I made this horse, I think I would add the finish nails, and then... no tying. Wonder if that would be possible to combine the two ideas?
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