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Post by ozarklady on Mar 1, 2010 16:21:50 GMT -5
Okay, a couple things... My home saved tomato seeds, that I didn't throw away, and were on paper towels, are ugly... but I got 100% germination... as close as I could count of them anyhow. So, it worked.
Early in this post some photos were of blue tomato and p20? Anyhow, are we confusing the foliage of the p20... (in photos it was gorgeous foliage and red tomatoes)... with the blue tomatoes? How did the purple or blue foliage hold up to predation? Was there any difference, increase, decrease etc? 2 out of 5 that have germinated, have purple stems.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Mar 1, 2010 17:44:27 GMT -5
Michael, when you develop those, let me know. Having bred blue breeds of poultry, a Blue Goose tomato would be near and dear to my heart. ;D Ozarklady, Congratulations on your 100% rate of germination. That's wonderful to hear.
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Post by stratcat on Mar 1, 2010 21:40:59 GMT -5
Hi, Ozarklady. Glad to see you didn't throw all your seed out. I don't always get around to fermenting my tomato seed. Sometimes I stick the seed on paper plates or paper towels to dry. Coffee filters are also used by a friend. Easy enough to pick seeds off with my nail. If my seeds look really bad, I soak them in water to give them a boost. I was using P20 as a synonym with OSU Blue. I should have said OSU Blue. I posted a picture of my one OSU plant with especially dark foliage that kept its color late in the season. It's fruit looked like Iva's pics. Not sure about predation. My plants developed the foliage color when they got exposed to the full sun outdoors. Foliage typically fades as the season progresses. Here's an informative link- tomatoland.net/~oltv/p20.htm
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Post by michaeljohnson on Mar 2, 2010 1:53:49 GMT -5
Thanks -Stratcat,much appreciated, I couldn't quite remember who it was that grew that wonderful all blue plant.
Bluelacedredhead,- if I manage to get a serious cross with the goose creek tomato- you will have some seeds from them in time for next season-I promise ;D-but you might have to remind me around sept/october time.
For some reason or another-O.S.U. Blue seeds take slightly longer to germinate in most cases, and are eratic, coming at different times-2 or 3 days apart ,but not always.
It's a very peculiar tomato altogether a will take a few more years yet to figure that darn thing out. ;D
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Mar 2, 2010 9:23:24 GMT -5
TY Michael. I'm certain that the Figuring Out will be the best part!!
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Post by michaeljohnson on Mar 10, 2010 1:39:39 GMT -5
So far, I have not heard of anyone getting any B,E,R, on the O.S.U.-Blue, perhaps for some reason it is resistant to it maybe ??- let's hope it might be.
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Post by kctomato on Mar 12, 2010 22:39:35 GMT -5
It's a very peculiar tomato altogether a will take a few more years yet to figure that darn thing out. ;D that's because it still contains some artifact genes from the wild species also, some P20 lines had some BER early season
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Post by ozarklady on Mar 12, 2010 23:03:45 GMT -5
Okay, who knows the ancestry for a couple of these? I noticed that Old German seedlings showed 100% purple stems in the very early stages. Has anyone else seen this? My old German should be red and yellow, not purple at all. But the stems showed purple for several days after germination. The OSU was about 50% purple stems, can they be relatives or share the gene pool? It really got my curiosity up. None of my other seedlings showed any blue at all! I have witnesses! Not going crazy here!
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Post by canadamike on Mar 13, 2010 1:03:47 GMT -5
It is far from uncommon to witness purple in stems, and as nothing to do with the ''blue'' color, which is not true blue, but concentrated purple. Anthocyanins exists in many tomatoes, there are many variations on the anthocyanins theme... but the idea behind the blue is ''hyper concentration'', or the desire of it...it is there, now ,on a very small percentage of the fruit, but in a visible spot...
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Post by ozarklady on Mar 13, 2010 8:55:59 GMT -5
Whew! Thanks Mike, I was getting worried that I was seeing purple everywhere!
I had never noticed the purple stems before and started alot of tomato seeds.
Well, since it is concentrating the purple coloration. And I want to improve the flavor of the blue, if it really isn't "wow". Perhaps if Old German is a "wow", since it shows a bit of the blue trait, that would actually not dilute the gene that makes fruit blue quite as much as one that shows no color at all.
Crossing the OSU and keeping the blue can be a real challenge for a breeding rookie like me. The purple stems have remained in the OSU and not in the Old German. So, it was a stage they went through.
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Post by canadamike on Mar 13, 2010 10:59:00 GMT -5
Do not worry Oazrk, it is no more a challenge for you than it is for anybody else. There is a need for knowlege in breeding, but it is here. The rest is just letting nature go its course and observing and making choices. That my dear, especially being a woman ( gosh the darn creatures see everything ), is no more difficult for you than for others. In the case of tomatoes, for exemple, sure, Tom is a wealth of knowlege, but what explains his vast amount of creations is...his relentless work. Breeders are doers, and he does it again and again and again. The patience and work required is really what set exceptional people apart...just go at it. You can perfectly be the one discovering something beautiul. In the case of OSU blue, I have seen the results of it crossed with many, and I already know you will get something great...The tomato is a great ''beauty enhancer''. Go for it Ozark, and do not worry. It,s gonna be cool!!
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Post by lottiedolly on Mar 18, 2010 8:07:42 GMT -5
Hi, i am growing OSU blue tomatoes for the first time as someone gave some seeds in a swap. It was trying to find out about them that lead me to your forum, so i am interested in how everyone went with growing them and am hoping to have some seeds to carry on swapping for next year ;D
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Post by wildseed57 on Apr 7, 2010 14:03:33 GMT -5
Hi I've been going over some of the post about this tomato which I find interesting also, i may have missed or forgotten some of the information about how P20 and the other crosses taste like other than sweet or tangy. Is the fravor tomato like or does it have a off flavor of anise like a huckleberry which i like if its a huckleberry, but not in tomatoes. At some point I would like to get some seeds once it is a little more developed. I grow mostly the big red and bi-colored type beefsteak varieties , but I'm not real big on the black or brown varieties simpy because they look a lot like they have gone bad when you cut them in half, even though I like the flavor. I suppose I would have to get over the non-tomato like color that I'm so use to. I'm all for a tomato that is more healthy and good for you, if its naturaly breed and not GM which I'm totally against, I guess you can call me old fashioned when it comes to things like that, but I still keep a open mind. George W. Z5-6 MO.
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Post by cortona on Apr 7, 2010 15:40:04 GMT -5
george i repute myself an open mynded person but my garden are gm free and i hope to mantain it in this way my entire life! ps i have sowed and sprouted the osu blu but no one have the blue foliage and it have all the light it wants... hope that it show this trait sooner al later...it is normal? best wishes Emanuele
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Post by canadamike on Apr 7, 2010 18:45:56 GMT -5
Wait until the ''true '' sun hit them....
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