Post by wildseed57 on Oct 27, 2010 15:10:14 GMT -5
After reading the different post about the sun berry and the question was brought up about it possibly crossing I have not given that much thought, but I do know that my plants in the solanum family that are close enough will cross pollinate. I have seen some poisonous Nightshades growing some distance from me that reminded me of my huckleberry, so now I wonder if its safe keeping seeds or just letting them self seed and come back each year, if that might lead to a possible case of self poisoning. I also have seen several poisonous nightshades or wild Physalis that look like edible ground cherries which I happen to like also. I think from now on I will just use seeds that I know are ok just to be on the safe side. George W.
Post by spacecase0 on Oct 27, 2010 16:19:37 GMT -5
I asked that question to someone because I was growing the belladonna right next to the wonderberry, and they said it was fine, I have been saving seeds for a few years now will no issues (as I am still living) so I would say that they are likely far away enough in type not to cross easy, because they sure are not crossing for me.
Post by wildseed57 on Oct 27, 2010 17:44:15 GMT -5
I think Belladonna is a or related to the Datura species and may not be related closely enough to it, I might be wrong, but I wonder about ones like bittersweet nightshade and others like it. Where I'm at there are lots of different types of wild poisonous solanums all of which can make you very sick or worse. Since I'm not a expert on solanums I would rather be wrong by not trusting them, than taking the chance and make myself sick. I even get a bit nervous eating berries from Solanum sisymbriifolium which has a berry that taste like a cross between a sour cherry and a tomato which is nice, but it is so thorny that unless you ware gloves you will get stuck bad and it really looks like something that is poisonous, rather than something safe. George W.
Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Aug 19, 2011 4:27:41 GMT -5
Yea! my Sunberries came back this year (in the same spot too!). But this year i have two plants instead of one. I planted considerably less corn this year, so they also have gotten more sunlight, and they are about as tall as others have reported that they grow (2ft). You really need to let them ripen though, because they do seem to have an undesirable taste before full ripeness. I collected some berries to save for seeds. No sign of that poisonous hairy nightshade this year (or whatever it was) which i'm glad, but i kinda feel bad that i didn't save seeds in a separate pack just because it was so evil (thats what a good scientist would have done i guess).
I just finished reading an interesting PDF about the origins of the Sunberry. Basically the conclusion is that while Mr. Burbank did attempt to cross two species of S. nigrum, the chromosomes would have produced a pentaploid (likely sterile) , and that he actually also had one of the names wrong. The conclusion was that the author thinks that he actually was very messy with his crosses, and probably accidentally grew seed from a native plant of Africa that he assumed was one of his hybrids. The Wonderberries i guess are actually tetraploid.
I still would like to someday try to cross a sunberry with a tomato (even if a cross would be unlikely). But, i think i'd need a tetraploid tomato. Anyone know of any?
After reading the different post about the sun berry and the question was brought up about it possibly crossing I have not given that much thought, but I do know that my plants in the solanum family that are close enough will cross pollinate.
I'm not sure, but based on what i read in that PDF above, it sounded like all the other nightshades (that could be confused with wonderberries) are most likely Hexaploid.
Post by atimberline on Nov 14, 2019 2:23:37 GMT -5
Just reading down the thread.... jUST A FEW COMMENTS TO THE FEARS. If your nose lacks good sense, and /or your taste buds, you can fear eating something poisonous in the nightshade group but as a rule you can know you are getting something hard on your health when you taste and smell something harsh, especially bitter. I've tasted all the poisonous ones and believe me,if you can't taste the nasty and spit it out then you have no business adventuring into this arena. Figure it out or go do something that won't make you and others sick.
Also. Most of the wild black fruited nightshades are relatively edible when fully ripe. As to crossing them, most of them will cross if given the right environment ...and sterility is downplayed/overcome by the same. There is tremendous potential in this group for fruity fruits and machine harvest. ...I had a couple acres wasted on this stuff ...you'll get Tiny Tim size plants and 8foot colomn types to, and everything from pinhead to cherry size fruits ...some would overwinter as crowns for multiple years taking to -5F. ...tons of traits to sort thru. ... Tim Peters
...guiding nature in the developement of non-hybrids... ...following nature in a search for The Sustainable