I don't know what the Ezeer Perennial wheat Tim was working on was, so I will ask him and get back to you. My guess is that "Ezeer" means "easier to thresh", which means that isn't it.
Let me cut to the chase:
It's not a particularly advanced line. The seeds are smallish and green, not particularly wheat-like. It is hard to thresh by hand though I suspect proper equipment would make short work of it.
Stability is relative, and according to Tom Wagner, perennial wheats in programs other than Tim's (which is on hiatus at the moment...) have had some propensity to revert. That is, some seedlings start looking like wheat again instead of like "xThinotriticum". No idea if that will happen to any of this line; I don't think it has been grown out enough generations to know for sure.
It's primary merit is longevity. When you cross Thinopyrum to Triticum, for some reason not all seedlings are perennial, and of the ones that are, they are barely so, often rather short-lived. FWIW, longevity was a side-effect of these breeding programs; they were originally after high protein and disease-resistance, and someone eventually wondered if perenniality would be useful.
These are seeds from plants that have survived significantly longer than most. I will ask Tim how old they are next time I talk to him, and will post the information.
This deal is a way to exchange funds that are needed elsewhere in consideration of seeds for a crop that was never common and is getting rarer. It might seem a tad pricey ($10 for 20 seeds) but that way whoever really really really wants it will get it, and it will help raise funds for someone who needs them (not me--I'm handling it because I can do so more easily than the beneficiary). Folks have been generous in supporting Tim's work in the past, so maybe they will now, though I do realize that there's a major recession going on.
If someone really, really, truly wants it and truly can't afford $10 then send a check in an amount that is affordable made out to "Tim Peters" to:
Tim Peters c/o New World Seeds and Tubers, LLC PO Box 16085 Seattle, WA 98116
Those who asked me for samples offline, yours are already in the mail.
Some folks may feel that "one in the hand is worth two in the bush". But for those who are waiting for more advanced lines, here's where we're at:
Much of Tim's seed, and some other material we got hold of while it was still available, is in Tom ("Tater Mater") Wagner's possession. Some of that has been planted in seed trays, and eventually it will end up in any of several fields we use for growing stuff out.
The rest is still in storage for lack of enough time to have found and sorted it last time Tim and I were both available to do so. I told Tim that Tom and I would make an effort to go down in November to look for more stuff to salvage. I don't think Tim's prize high-yielding Perennial xTriticales ever got found, though some very "beautiful" pale grains did get found. Tom was impressed.
Other stuff from the erstwhile Peter's Seed and Research will come online bit by bit, by and by. I'll list most of it under the new Peters Seed and Research site; the old one we have no access to. If you're on my distribution list, as you apparently are Bunkie, then you'll hear about it when it becomes available.
For those who aren't and want to be, go to our home page and sign up on the right sidebar:
The content is the blog posts, which is where I announce everything. I think they're just stub entries which is not what I thought I specified, but I'm still debugging the syndication. Anyhow there is nothing spammy on that list. Most of the posts I'm not even asking anyone to buy anything. We're pretty soft-sell.
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Post by mnjrutherford on Sept 28, 2011 6:31:38 GMT -5
So Tim is now a part of your team?
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>>i was wondering if this is the Ezeer Perennial Wheat tim was working on
THIS JUST IN...
Today I was helping Tom plant wheat and other hardy biennial cereals. Yesterday Tom had done some planting on his own. He found some Ezeer Perennial wheat in the seeds we got from Tim and planted at least some of it (I believe we're hedging our bets and planting at more than one location--but he likes the location he's been working on for the past few days because it's closer to him than others).
I dunno how long it will take to get it to market. It will depend somewhat on germination rates--which I am sorry to report have been low. I'm going to give Tom some Giberellin to see if that will help.
>>So Tim is now a part of your team?
Not yet, but that remains a possibility. If it doesn't work out, we'll pay him royalties for sales of his breeding lines, giving him AND OTHER INDEPENDENT CROP BREEDERS (hint hint) an incentive to sign up to work with us. In the mean time, we're trying to help him salvage same by growing them out and, if necessary, doing some roguing out of work still in progress.
A lot of stuff has been lost. The good news is that we're helping him cut losses, plus a lot of things that never got to market are in the process of being rescued. There is a possibility that you might be seeing some things that have never been seen outside of Tim's old stomping grounds...much like Tom Wagner's 48 years of backlogged tomato varieties (for those who are not aware of the existence of which...).
Tim's specialty is probably Brassica. Since we do not have any leafy greens at the moment this complements what we do have.
>>Atash, who is the writer for New World Crops blog? It's very well done.
Thank you. That's another Wagner...Rob. Despite the same last name they didn't meet until a few years ago over the internet.
Rob came out of the software industry with a small stock-option windfall that he wanted to invest prudently. While following an investment newsletter devoted to financial assets related to natural resources, he discovered that there aren't as much fossil fuel supplies remaining as he had assumed.
For example, the often-quoted factoid about "300 years of coal" for one thing was assuming that we don't accelerate usage due to petroleum depletion, but it also assumed that all the coal in the world COULD be harvested. It can't. The fat seams and particularly the ones close to the surface were harvested first. Now what is left includes 10-inch seems buried too deep underground to make it cost-effective to get to them.
But petroleum turned out to be the more pressing issue because being able to flow makes liquid fuels more desirable. They also happen to be hydrocarbons, which makes them less polluting than coal the byproduct of harvesting the energy of the hydrogen bonds is just fairly harmless water vapor.
Now Rob had a vague awareness that food production was fuel-intensive, so he wondered what would happen as fuel supplies ran out. He did a lookup on the internet and it turns out that it takes roughly 10kcal of fuel to produce ONE kcal of grain.
Uh oh, we all starve to death. In the relatively near future by the way. We're already seeing the beginning, which is why food prices are rising despite the overall drop in commodity prices based on the assumption of a "double dip recession" (the next leg down is about to hit IMMINENTLY). It's not just fuel though...it's also the breakdown in finance which was funding big agribusiness, which while its practices are not sustainable, they did keep food prices (somewhat artificially) low.
Hence his interest in staple crops.
Everyone he knew told him potatoes were the crop to grow if it came down to manual labor. But we all know that potatoes are disease-prone.
Then along came Tom and his magical true-seed-grown potatoes which work around all the major hazards of growing potatoes...now they're buddies...
(If there seems to be a similarity between Rob's writing--and looks--and mine...there might be a reason for that...or it might be a coincidence...).
>>i was wondering if this is the Ezeer Perennial Wheat tim was working on
THIS JUST IN...
Today I was helping Tom plant wheat and other hardy biennial cereals. Yesterday Tom had done some planting on his own. He found some Ezeer Perennial wheat in the seeds we got from Tim and planted at least some of it (I believe we're hedging our bets and planting at more than one location--but he likes the location he's been working on for the past few days because it's closer to him than others).....
atash, the Ezeer perennial wheat i'm growing is from Peters Seed & Research which is no more. i bought it, and other stuff from David who worked there. we corresponded quite abit. i was sad to see it closed down.
here is johno's thread where i wrote about growing them and tim's input...
the Mountaineer is still going strong this third year and will be harvested very soon. i also planted four other trypes of perennial rye in tim's trials last year. all grew very well and we'll see if the y come back next spring. i also planteed the lst of the Ezeer perennial wheat seed i had from PS&R last fall. all grew wonderfully and will be harvested soon and we'll see what returns next spring also. this'll be the first year i try and bake bread with the rye.
OK, it sounds like you were wise and obtained them while they were still generally available. Unfortunately for me, I became aware of Peters Seed and Research only two years before its demise, when most of the in-house breeds were already gone. I got the last of the Forest Fire tomatoes and that was it (this year the deer conspired to keep Forest Fire rare; they ate every last ripe tomato). Found a few other things from other sources.
We planted some rye yesterday, with nice big fat seeds, but we are pessimistic about viability. We planted it extra-thick to compensate for what we suspect will be low viability.
You can make cracker-like breads (Scandinavian style rusks) or Pumpernickel out of pure rye, or you can mix it with wheat for fluffy breads. Nowadays I think I am more interested in the former.
We found a small baggie with a few heads of something--wheat probably--most of which were empty. Looks like the mice got them (Tom says that's a good sign--mice don't like inferior grain LOL). We found a few seeds left and planted them. We don't even know what it is because it wasn't labeled--towards the end there was no time for documenting everything.
We've also got stuff from other folks that also is poorly documented. I have for example a nice dwarf early white Sorghum. All we know is it came from southern Oregon but is not one of Tim's.
We should probably come up with names for the anonymous stuff so that it's not just generically named. It'll sell better.
Also a lot of off-types in a lot of stuff. Things get mixed-up, not to mention they occur spontaneously anyway from cross-pollination and mutations. Tom is working on sorting them out.
philagardener: 13F in Philly this morning; single digits in the 'burbs. Looks like it will be at least a week before any real break in these temps.
Mar 4, 2014 6:44:21 GMT -5
awildseedvt: Will I just made a request to the US's GRIN , no response so far. WOW GeneSys looks amazing.
Mar 4, 2014 11:55:12 GMT -5
oxbowfarm: You should have gotten an automatic reply email from GRIN. I do like the genesys search engine, I'm not so sure it still wouldn't be better to actually request directly from the relevant seedbank. I'd certainly do that with GRIN.
Mar 7, 2014 8:02:52 GMT -5
12540dumont: It is 77 degrees here today! Yikes, I'm trying to transplant greens. Tomatoes and Beans are coming up wild!
Mar 9, 2014 18:20:04 GMT -5
awildseedvt: I got an auto reply, but how will I know if my order is going through or gets ignored.
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