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Post by raymondo on Nov 8, 2013 15:13:10 GMT -5
Fantastic collection bluejay. I love the various shapes, sizes, colours and patterns of beans.
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Post by richardw on Nov 9, 2013 13:26:18 GMT -5
Yes,a fascinating collection alright.
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Post by blackox on Nov 11, 2013 20:27:08 GMT -5
Hi Bluejay! Found your way over from the Easy Garden forum I see. Sadly haven't been able to log back on sadly, I lost my original log-in information and the new passwords that I get won't work for some reason. Anyways very nice collection and I have some Trout Gold beans if your interested. (This is the cross between regular Trout and Painted Pony.)
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Post by 12540dumont on Nov 11, 2013 22:23:34 GMT -5
Blue Jay, I see that you have caught bean mania...The many beautiful shapes and colors. I see that you do not have enough beans to maintain. It took me 3 years to track down the Bamberger Blue. It still didn't make enough to share this year. I never send out beans till I have a quart jar in the freezer. Then I transfer them to pints. Anything in a half pint, there just isn't enough of. I used to plant anything that was just beautiful. Now I've gotten fussy and they have to be: 1. Superior nutrition 2. Drought tolerant 3. Prolific. 4. Or practically extinct. When I took on the Badda Beans, it was all about making sure that they got a real home, and out in the world. When I find that only a few farmers are maintaining a bean, it just makes me crazy. Of course, my head is still turned by a pretty face. PM me your address. Thanks for posting. Holly
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Post by bluejay77 on Nov 15, 2013 14:11:44 GMT -5
Hi Everyone !
Glad you liked the bean collection. Yeah I live the life of a bean maniac. However I think I'm closing in on my limit. I could see myself getting fussy about good drying characteristics, productivity and how healthy the variety seems to grow. My Bamberger Blaue produced a pound and a half with 9 feet of row planted this year. However like you say about a pretty face a real different and unusual seedcoat always draws my interest. I list beans in the SSE yearbook and if I get a 6 oz. baby food jar full plus 20 more seeds to replant I'll list a variety. However I got so many varities that I don't often run any of them all the way out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well Seedobsesser/Blackbox I just wandered over here from the Easy Garden forum and now I see your Gold Trout is from Trout X Painted Pony. I might be able to go for a sample of that after all. Would you like to trade for something I have on my website? If yes we will have to trade addresses with a personal message either on here or the Easy Garden.
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Post by blackox on Nov 15, 2013 19:00:57 GMT -5
I'll trade for some African Premier beans, PM sent on the Easy Garden forum!
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Post by oxbowfarm on Dec 20, 2013 8:21:36 GMT -5
Bluejay, I love your collection. Unfortunately, for some reason your my computer always chokes on your website after about five minutes and I have to close my browser. I'd love to hear your isolation techniques, how many beans do you grow out per year?
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Post by bluejay77 on Dec 20, 2013 12:39:34 GMT -5
Hello Oxbow Farms !
I usually grow out about 100 or so bean varieties in the summer. I don't isolate them. Just rely on watching their plant characteristics to note if something different starts cropping up in variety and also rely on selecting the known seedcoat and the way I've known a varieties seed to be shaped. I think every grower that I've come across that likes beans a lot. I find will tend to grow a fair number of varieties, and they don't isolate them. There is one set of thinking that over time you will destroy the original purity of a variety. That could be possible if you a terrific number of pollinating bees working your bean blossoms. If pollinator pressure is not too great and beans of course are very highly self pollinating plants as they are. I would think one should be able keep varieties intact by getting to know your beans and selecting them for the way you have always known them to be. There is another set of thinking that over a long period of time all varieties will slowly change through enviornmental pressure, genetic drift and some outcrossing, and there is no keeping varieties genetically perfect as you see them today forever. If I have a good stringless bean and a thousand years from now it's still a productive stingless variety, and still resistant to the same diseases it is today, but has picked up some new genetics along the way. How much does that particular orignal genetics matter to the grower a thousand years from now. Will that grower really care that much or really even know in that long of a period of history of a variety. There are some growers that say you can take a variety that has shown of bit of outcrossing, and grow it in isolation for a few years and clean it up and arrive at it's orignal state again by weeding out all the off types. I am even suspecting some small heritage seed companies that don't practise what would be called proper isolation distances of beans which I understood at one time to be at least a half mile. I would like to be able to isolate all the varieties I grow. Perhaps if I ever acquire enough land of my own to do it I would probably practise an isolation scheme of planting a single row of beans about 25 feet apart and grow perhaps a row of flowers on either side of the bean row that would be in blossom at the same time the beans are in bloom. I'm sure in my garden the main pollinator is the bumblebee. If a bee were to leave the bean and fly somewhere else for more nectar I'm sure a row of flowers on either side of a bean row would be the first attractor to the insect, and then once the bee started in on the bean row again it's tongue would be full of pollen from that flower which of course would not pollinate the bean. I still have not as yet found growing my beans in a mass plot to be a problem. I have received more beans that have shown outcrossing than what I have ever found in my gardens. Some of this outcrossing can produce some new productive and useful new varieties. I would venture a guess that there maybe over 40,000 varieties of beans in the world. When the indigenous people of the western hemiphere began domesticating the bean some 7,000 years ago. Do you think they really had 40,000 varieties to work with. There are about 50 known wild bean varieties growing today. So where did all the varieties both commercial and heirloom come from?
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Post by 12540dumont on Dec 20, 2013 13:02:58 GMT -5
Beaniacs?
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Post by ppp on May 31, 2018 21:52:57 GMT -5
did anyone save a copy of bean_pollination.pdf ? I found a lot of useful information in this thread and in The Story of Bean Breeding! I'm attempting a cross of P. coccineus and P. polystachios.
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Post by Srdjan Gavrilovic on Jun 6, 2018 3:28:09 GMT -5
did anyone save a copy of bean_pollination.pdf ? I found a lot of useful information in this thread and in The Story of Bean Breeding! I'm attempting a cross of P. coccineus and P. polystachios. bean.css.msu.edu/_pdf/bean_pollination.pdfThere are few of us trying the same. Do you have access to P. polystachios? Best, Srdjan
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Post by andyb on Jun 6, 2018 13:08:15 GMT -5
did anyone save a copy of bean_pollination.pdf ? I found a lot of useful information in this thread and in The Story of Bean Breeding! I'm attempting a cross of P. coccineus and P. polystachios. bean.css.msu.edu/_pdf/bean_pollination.pdfThere are few of us trying the same. Do you have access to P. polystachios? Best, Srdjan Nice job finding that document, Srdjan. I searched around a few days ago but couldn't find it. ppp, welcome! I'd love to hear more about your bean project and any other projects you might be working on. I've been working with wide bean crosses for the last couple of years and have some P. coccineus and P. polystachios plants growing right now. When I have flowers on both, I plan to start attempting crosses. I've been posting off and on about my bean projects on the Phaseolus vulgaris group wide crosses thread. The bean_polliation.pdf document is a very good introduction, but the technique it describes is really only for crosses between varieties of the same species. For crosses between species, I've found that I need to do full emasculations before applying the pollen. If you've already been making crosses, I'd be interested in learning more about the details of your crossing technique. If you haven't, I'd be glad to share some of my experiences.
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