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Post by lavandulagirl on Apr 14, 2007 19:47:19 GMT -5
And think of all the poor new-to-gardening folks on idig who would only have Z as advice if all the good people left. They wouldn't know how far up his ass his head really is, and they might think he knew something of value. If they're growing heirloom seeds, the loss could be astronomical! ;D
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Apr 14, 2007 19:52:28 GMT -5
Andy, Thanks for speaking up!! And I have to say that I think that Jere and the moderators of iDig are finally starting to sit up and take notice of the fact there are Longterm members who are inabsentia or at least not posting the way we used to as a direct result of that Jerk. Brook, I wish you had stayed!! I think if everyone had been made aware of the degree to which you were insulted by Z, then with time, we could have forced the issue!! But it's wonderful to have a new connection with you!!!!
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Post by LoreD on Apr 14, 2007 20:26:49 GMT -5
If you'll notice the number of people who've left or just passed through Idig its unbelievable. Of the two thousand and some members of Idig there are maybe thirty or forty active posting members. If all of the people who disagree with the policies at Idig just left you would just have zman, Cliff, and Larae left. I think it would make our point better if they only had themselves to talk to.
I was there almost at the beginning and there are almost none of the original members.
Sorry, BlueLace, Jere blocked your poll right after I voted. I tried to reply but he had already deleted the thread. 7 people voted and only 1 said that Zebra should be warned before being banned, the other six said they wanted him gone.
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Post by johno on Apr 15, 2007 7:26:50 GMT -5
I missed it. I just went looking for it, and it was already gone. I just don't get the logic behind what' gets deleted or modified, and what doesn't...
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Post by lavandulagirl on Apr 15, 2007 7:49:22 GMT -5
It wasn't Blue's poll, it was some new poster's. She just had the guts to both vote and post. Not sure who the new guy is, though, since that was his first post.
Johno and Andy - out of curiosity, have you gotten any negative feedback on idig? Blue and I have both noticed some specious negatives. Just curious. The question's really open to anybody who posts there, I just know Johno and Redbrick recently had words with people over there.
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Post by johno on Apr 15, 2007 8:14:04 GMT -5
Could you be specific about the specious negatives? I'm not sure I know which ones you are referring to?
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Post by redbrick on Apr 15, 2007 8:36:32 GMT -5
The only bad review I recieved was that I gave "bad advice" in the Wisteria thread. Not quite sure which advice was bad, to root prune wisteria, or to tell Zman off?
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Apr 15, 2007 8:43:12 GMT -5
this is very interesting. We are all givers of Bad Advice it seems..
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Post by lavandulagirl on Apr 15, 2007 9:57:18 GMT -5
Johno - I meant in your reputation, which you can see if you go to tool box. It shows where someone marked a response you gave, either positively or negatively. I got a negative one for the wisteria thread, specifically for an early post I added, which said they may not bloom for over 10 years, and they don't need extra nitrogen. Both of the statements are true, but whoever rated the post said they were not. I don't really care, except that it seems a little cowardly to anonymously misrate someone, who then can't respond directly to the rater. I was curious if others had this happen, and if it was at the same time that they were arguing a point in a thread. That's all.
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Post by LoreD on Apr 15, 2007 10:51:46 GMT -5
Thats why I asked Alan to remove the smite button, because if you disagree with a post you should post the disagreement in a polite way rather than just anonymously hitting a button. One doesn't know if they don't like the post or don't like you. its rather unfair to "review" a post without explaining.
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Post by brook on Apr 15, 2007 11:05:50 GMT -5
>Brook, I wish you had stayed!! I think if everyone had been made aware of the degree to which you were insulted by Z, then with time, we could have forced the issue!! <
You have to pick your battles. Otherwise you'll spend your whole life dealing with the mongrels nipping at your heels, instead of getting anything meaningful done.
It's quite obvious that Z and that bunch operate the way they do with the at least tacit approval of Jere. Otherwise he would take steps. That being the case, there is no way the issue could have been forced, no matter how much time you give it.
I think, too, that the several discussions held about my leaving (by others, not me. I was gone) more than made the group aware as to why I had left. Most people didn't care, one way or another. The small group who did all contacted me privately, and I expressed to them why I had left.
So, the ones who counted (most of whom, I'm glad to say, are now over here) knew the situation. The rest can put up with that degenerating site or not, as they wish.
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Post by LoreD on Apr 15, 2007 11:22:11 GMT -5
What I find very interesting is that we have almost as much activity on a site with 50+ members who are agreeable, nice,and polite to each as a site with 2000+ members where you have a lot of dissension. That tells us exactly how many members have been driven out by the hostility going on.
What is surprising is that Jere is willing to risk losing customers over this person. He behaves as if people can't get the seed from somewhere else. This is a time where all of us can find our seeds from someone else, like Brook, Bill McKay, Glenn Downs, next year Alan, and pretty much everywhere else.
I think I will "review" his site by removing my seed orders. I had been ordering 100% of my seed from him to about 10% this year and next year I won't be ordering anything from Baker Creek.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Apr 15, 2007 11:38:42 GMT -5
Lore, not to downplay what you said about people are leaving iDig in droves because of ZZZZZZ man, but there are few sites where more than 10% of the members post. Doesn't matter whether it's Gardening, Poultry, Cooking or DIY Auto Mechanics. There are those of us who speak up and those who just Lurk in the cybershadows. Pretty much like any part of life. Join a group for extracurricular activities for your children. See how many of the parents actually show up to drive kids to games or run a bbq at a playday or throw a yardsale fundraiser. It's always the same ones that volunteer.
It just makes it more difficult to get people to speak up when someone like Z is allowed free rein.
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Post by LoreD on Apr 15, 2007 12:16:44 GMT -5
We have 54 members and 30 members who have posted at least twice, I think if you looked at Idig you would find maybe 40 or 50 people who have posted at least once during the last month. During zman's early time at Idig new members would post saying they had never seen that level hostility on any other site and we wouldn't ever see them again. I've seen very active members who are suddenly not there.
What I was saying was that for the amount of members listed at Idig there should be a lot more activity there. They aren't at 10% or even 5%, I think they are closer to 1 or 2%. Much smaller sites are much more active than Idig. There are just a few members like zman and Cliff and others who create a "false" sense of the site being very active.
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Post by redbrick on Apr 15, 2007 12:34:22 GMT -5
one other factor needs to be raised to be really accurate about memberships at idig. There are a lot of names on the rolls that belong to spammers. I'm pretty sure that the names stay put even after the users have been banned. But, yeah, there does seem to be a rediculous gap between membership and activity.
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