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Post by johninfla on May 31, 2012 7:15:20 GMT -5
I have never heard of it being made with anything else. It may just be national pride, but everyone I talk to in Peru tells me that the health benefits of chicha morada are unique to the purple corn grown in Peru. I have often thought that I should take my water that I boil my sweet corn in and try to make chicha with it.......let me know if you try.
John
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Post by johninfla on Jun 26, 2012 7:17:14 GMT -5
The Morado is done for the year....shucked and put in the freezer to make chicha at my leisure....YUM! While shucking I found three ears that were not purple.....they were orange. I saved them as curiousities and am wondering whether they were the result of stray pollen from my sweet corn (Hawaiian Supersweet #9 about 300 yards away) or if they genetic background of the corn would have some orange in it..... I also am wondering if chicha made from the orange corn would have the same flavor.....as I only have three ears, I may have to plant it out to answer the second question but I am curious. Any ideas???
John
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2012 10:52:42 GMT -5
If memory serves me right, there are at least three races of "morado" maize in Peru. One from lower elevations, Morado Canteno, frequently has a yellow-orange endosperm underneath the kernels' black skin. If the seed you have isn't pure for black pericarp, then some colorless pericarp ears could pop up and the yellow-orange interior would show through. It could have gotten crossed too, though.
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Post by 12540dumont on Jun 26, 2012 11:50:25 GMT -5
John, I finally found that Morado.
I threw some in the mail to you today. Nothing worse than a jar of corn staring right at you.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jun 26, 2012 12:09:57 GMT -5
Nothing worse than a jar of corn staring right at you. I hate it!!!! Every night when I lay down to sleep, there are 30 jars of corn staring right at me. Gives me the heebie-jeebies. But the corn stares directly at you, so that's not nearly as unsettling as a jar of goat-eye or calypso beans staring at you: Beans stare with a kinda sideways-glance that's jarring on the nerves. I had to put the beans in the sock drawer.
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Post by blueadzuki on Jun 26, 2012 12:51:16 GMT -5
Nothing worse than a jar of corn staring right at you. I hate it!!!! Every night when I lay down to sleep, there are 30 jars of corn staring right at me. Gives me the heebie-jeebies. But the corn stares directly at you, so that's not nearly as unsettling as a jar of goat-eye or calypso beans staring at you: Beans stare with a kinda sideways-glance that's jarring on the nerves. I had to put the beans in the sock drawer. Smaller seeded favas can also look creepy sitting in a jar in a dim room especially paler skinned ones . That long black hilum scar becomes a slit pupil in a dun colored dead eyeball. Doesn't happen with the "normal sized" favas (probably because most larger seeded favas develop those "humps" on each side of the scar, so they are no longer eye, shaped even in profile. But by far. the creepiest seed in a jar I ever had was back when I was sorting out some field peas, and wound up with a jar filled with small ones that had the gene that gave them black hilums. Corn may stare direct, beans may look at you sideways but little round pale green peas with black seed scars glare at you with the intense gaze of a a thousand madmen. I ended up sticking them in a drawer in my desk as well.
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Post by johninfla on Jun 26, 2012 13:22:50 GMT -5
Now I'll be paranoid about my seeds staring at me! I was thinking if it was crossed with the sweet corn then it would only be certain kernals on the cob but in this case the whole ear is orange....so I'm leaning toward your morado canteno idea.... Do you know where the name "canteno" comes from? There is a beautiful small valley town close to Lima called Canta......I'm curious if it maybe comes from there? John
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Post by johninfla on Jun 26, 2012 13:23:45 GMT -5
Holly,
thank you!!!!
PS. Patty is starting the girls on the doll project today!
John
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Post by johninfla on Jun 26, 2012 13:57:16 GMT -5
Ok look what I found when looking for Morado Canteño...... www.gourmetaldia.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=467:el-maiz-morado&catid=80:ingrediente-invitado&Itemid=273This article talks about there being four types of morado...the orange ear in the picture is what I had show up this year. I think that the orange type is the canteño...that is the oldest type... but then they talk about the Arequipeño being less colorful without the intense purple... so maybe it is Arequipeño. OK, I just found another page from peru that talks about there being at least six types... maizmoradito.blogspot.com/Anyway I answered my question about Canta....it seems that they are mostly named from the region that they are from....so Canteño is from Canta, Arequipeño is from Arequipa (where I spent my honeymoon) and so forth.... this internet thing is useful....it just might catch on.... John
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Post by 12540dumont on Jun 26, 2012 23:11:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the internet is the thing I will miss if everything goes badly. That, toilet paper, the washing machine, and water.... I looked for that corn no less than 4 times. It was right in the front of the seed fridge, giving me the hairy eye-ball. I must have looked right through it. On the kitchen table, why we can't find the kitchen table, are seeds, wanting to be planted....screaming to be planted. It's loud in the kitchen. I'm hiding in the living room where the shouts are muffled and they can't stare at me in recrimination. Beans and corn, corn and beans, I can't decide which is louder. This photo was when there was still room for eggs. John, where did you source the #9 Hawaiian from? Silver or yellow? Attachments:
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Post by johninfla on Jun 27, 2012 6:59:42 GMT -5
Hi Holly, Patty gives me the evil eye if I steal too much refrigerator space for seeds!
The Hawaiian Super Sweet #9 came from the University of Hawaii at Honolulu. It is yellow. If you'd like some, let me know....I have not sent the aguaymantos or the okra....I could send them all at once at the end of the season if you'd like.
I'm thinking of growing out the orange morado........(that really sounds funny.....the orange purple) just to see if I can make chicha from it.....here's another question....if I did make chicha from it would the health benefits be the same? Everything I read says that the purple pigments (anthocyanins?) are where the health benefits come from so I wonder.....
John
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Post by DarJones on Jun 27, 2012 12:43:00 GMT -5
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Post by blueadzuki on Jun 27, 2012 15:48:44 GMT -5
I'm thinking of growing out the orange morado........(that really sounds funny.....the orange purple) just to see if I can make chicha from it.....here's another question....if I did make chicha from it would the health benefits be the same? Everything I read says that the purple pigments (anthocyanins?) are where the health benefits come from so I wonder..... John Is it any funnier than "blood orange", "blue/yellow/white violet "red emerald" or "pink sapphire"? Or come to think of it since adzuki's are often simply called "red beans" in Chinese (and rice beans as "small red beans) I imagine the cream skinned ones (which I have seen sold as a seperate product once or twice) are called "white red beans" As for the nutrition my guess would be as follows; without the purple pigments the drink would indeed not have any health benefits that would be obtained from anthocyanins. However if the corn is as orange as you say, it is probably pretty rich in carotenes, which have thier own health benefits. Though carotense are not really all that soluable in water, so how much would actually get out in the Chicha making I don't really know (I wonder what would happen if you made it with milk instead of water, so there was some fat to absorb the carotenes.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 23:11:23 GMT -5
John, how tall did your Morado get for you? I had a neighbor plant some for me back on April 1st, and it only reached 7 feet tall before tasseling, which surprised me given how tall everyone else says theirs grows. From planting to pollen was 74 days and 1350 growing degree days Fahrenheit. I was lucky enough to have some yellow Hickory King silking at the same time and so made a cross. Once I grow out the few crossed ears I have, I can send you some seed to broaden your stock's genepool, if you want.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Jun 28, 2012 5:09:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the internet is the thing I will miss if everything goes badly. If/when the internet goes I will go through violent withdrawal, prolly scratch myself raw at the loss of all the information. What am I supposed to do, go back to encyclopedias? They don't even print them anymore. John, if you get a chance I'm sure we'd all love to see a pic of the Maiz Morado growing. And a pic of that chicha too.
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