Post by hortusbrambonii on Mar 21, 2013 15:59:44 GMT -5
I've seen some weird names of Rubus-berries in some threads, so let's all centralise them.
I do currently have a few shrubs of yellow raspberries (R. ideaeus 'fallgold') and Tayberries (a R. idaeus X fruticosus?) in the garden. I like black brambles (R. fruticosis or other related microspecies) in the wild, as well as regular raspberries or European dewberries (R. caes wheius) when I come across them.
I do have seed of 'black raspberries' (I suppose a R. occidentalis cultivar) that has been sown hasn't germinated yet, and have received R. lineatus seeds to try (not sown yet, am going to cold stratify them first anyway).
I want to one day have R. articus (tasted them once in scandinavia) or even R. chamaemorus, but maybe I shoudn't hope too much for them...
I grow sylvanberry, a cultivar that includes bramble berry (dewberry?) and raspberry in its lineage. last season i collected some seeds and grew them on. Since sylvan is a hybrid vegetatively propagated, the offspring are likely to segregate. T
Last Edit: Mar 21, 2013 18:54:43 GMT -5 by templeton
I am interested in seeds or rootlets of Logan, Tay, and Salmonberry.
I have just pruned tame Black Satin Blackberry at a farm, took home several dozen canes, planted them all the way to the bottom of 4 tree pots. I eventually hope to have lots. They were headed straight for the garbage. I took a 5g pot from the pile, laid it on it's side, stuffed it neatly with parallel canes. The farmer then realized I had a couple of hundred dollars worth of plants, so got jealous, asked me to bring some back.
I have found "blue" raspberry, but have only recently planted a few suckers. I may hike to more, on request.
I have found a blackberry with furry leaves, and am going to check on an unidentified patch of feral berries. this week.
My boisens will be flowering for the first time. (Lots of stuff is doing that, this year.) Tame (thornless) berries apparently lose this quality when grown from seed, or when suckering.
I have wild, red raspberries, grown from seed, also blossoming for the first time.
Golden raspberries, which apparently have shorter canes and more of a trailing habit.
We have Red/Yellow raspberry - R. idaeus Malahat, Tulameen, Caroline, and Anne. 64 feet of each. Conventional raspberries and all very good. Malahat is the best tasting, but least vigorous.
Eastern black raspberry - R. occidentalis Jewel. 32 feet. We've had them for several years, but I just don't like them as much as red raspberries and often think about pulling them out and replacing them.
Western black raspberry - R. leucodermis. 16 feet. Very tasty but not productive.
Salmonberry - R. spectabiliis. 64 feet. Earliest cane fruits and this is their ideal habitat, so they grow very well. I have selected superior clones from the wild for our planting. I get good yields, but it is hard to guess how much is the result of better plants and how much is the result of cultivation.
Emerald Carpet - R. calycinoides. A little patch. It doesn't do much. I got a berry once and it was bland. Not a very vigorous ground cover for us.
Formosan Raspberry - R. formosensis. 16 feet. Flowered and fruited six years ago when I planted it. The fruits were tasty. Hasn't set fruit since, although it grows well. Whatever it needs, we're not supplying it.
We also have tons of wild blackberries - Himalayan R. armeniacus, Evergreen R. laciniatus, and trailing blackberry R. ursinus. We keep them somewhat trimmed, but it is basically a wild patch. Himalayan blackberries are so vigorous and invasive here that there is no reason to cultivate. If we stop cutting them back at the edge of the field, they will grow 12 feet onto the property in a season. Trailing blackberry is tasty, but not nearly as common. Its growth habit - sprawling on the ground - makes it difficult to manage as anything other than a wild plant.
Also wild Thimbleberry - R. parviflorus. Not enough. We have some growing on the property wild, but I have had a very difficult time getting it to grow where I want it. Very tasty, but frustratingly difficult to get more plants and fruit.
Growing where temperate rainforest meets the sea (WA coast): Jan avg low temp ~34*F, Aug avg high temp ~69*F, ~111 annual inches of rain, but only about 15 inches May-Sep, salt air, lots of wind.
Post by mnjrutherford on Mar 24, 2013 17:58:50 GMT -5
I have thornless Arapaho blackberries and I am TRYING to get thornless loganberry AND boysenberry. I DEARLY love the flavor of boysenberries.
Jo - A developing farmer based on Bible teachings. Diversity, research, and chemical independence are key. Our top soil is about 12 to 18 inches of depleted sandy loam. Under that is a layer of light colored clay. Our sons will soon have more information as they learn to dig deeper and deeper holes.
Before I cash in my rolls of coins, I am interested in seeds of Logan and Tay.
I now have for barter: Aronia (black, McKenzie) Sea buckthorn (mixed, dioecious) Wild red raspberry (smallish) Black mulberry (bearing very long fruits. Persian?)
Will have later: Boysenberry (has thorns) Cape gooseberry Blackcap raspberry Chandler blueberry (Supposedly the largest.) Thompson and red seedless grape cuttings (Thick nodes planted in deep dirt are very successful.)
All our rubus varieties have been passed on to us by my MIL, and so I have no variety names as she didn't care to keep track of that info.
There is a basic red one that I can't say I love - it has not done all that well, is short grower and full of thorns, but sends up suckers everywhere. Would like to replace this one, if it's even possible, before it colonizes the entire garden.
There is a yellow fruited one that seems a bit better as a plant, although I have to admit I am a bit put off by the paleness of the fruit. Objectively, it tastes fine, but I always suspect it of being flavourless until I actually eat it. Can't convince the eyes otherwise.
Lastly, there is a thornless blackberry, which I really like. Very big plants, but full of berries that ripen over a long period. Worth the (considerable) space.
Oh, and yeah - we had all kinds of wild "black-caps" around the garden when we moved in. They have mostly been destroyed by various lanscaping project that have happened in the last couple years, much to my dismay. I would like to try moving some to a regular bed like the rest of the rubus have. They are very thorny, and not super-large berries, but extremely attractive and good tasting.
I like northern nurseries, because their selections seem sort-of exotic, in the American southwest. What does well in their fullest sun, has done far better in our shade.
I've apparently got Burnt Ridge's last logan and tay, as they were discounted, and I get an error message, when I try to retrace my steps.
Once they received my payment, they said temps were above 70F. So, there would be no guarantee.
Update: They know how to ship. Logan and tay leaves were not even wilted on arrival.
Vines were slightly longer than the diameter of their new 5g pots, so were laid across the top of the dirt and partially burred, except for the tips of the branches. These are being repeatedly watered with willow tea for rooting hormone and have recuperated vigorously from mild transplant shock within a week. It's my hope that many more plants will eventually surface, this way. Planter was located near a shady, northern wall, sheltered from wind.