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Post by raymondo on Oct 14, 2015 5:13:37 GMT -5
I hope to develop a locally adapted flinty landrace/grex. I have access to some Cascade Creamcap and Floriani Red, which I thought I'd use as a base, and wondered what people thought of these two flints.
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Post by maicerochico on Oct 14, 2015 7:50:01 GMT -5
If somebody can send it to you, add in Cargill Cateto flint to your mix. It will contribute completely unrelated genes from the sub-tropics.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Oct 14, 2015 11:52:38 GMT -5
I don't care for Floriani at all, but I think most of my issues with it are likely due to inbreeding depression. Smuggling a handful of corn out of Italy in your pants pocket is not a great way to start a variety with good genetic diversity. It would probably benefit greatly with mixing with Cascade Creamcap. IMO both of those varieties are horribly susceptible to Northern Leaf Blight, but that's only an issue if NLB is present in Oz.
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Post by raymondo on Oct 15, 2015 2:51:35 GMT -5
If somebody can send it to you, add in Cargill Cateto flint to your mix. It will contribute completely unrelated genes from the sub-tropics. Too expensive and fiddly to import corn into Australia. Only big ag has the wherewithall to manage it. Despite that, Cargill Cateto might already be here. It's amazing what turns up when you go searching. I found some Silver Mine dent at a market in a small town I was visiting. It has apparently been grown in the area for many years. I don't care for Floriani at all, but I think most of my issues with it are likely due to inbreeding depression. Smuggling a handful of corn out of Italy in your pants pocket is not a great way to start a variety with good genetic diversity. It would probably benefit greatly with mixing with Cascade Creamcap. IMO both of those varieties are horribly susceptible to Northern Leaf Blight, but that's only an issue if NLB is present in Oz. I haven't heard of NLB here but that doesn't mean it isn't. Fingers crossed. And I wasn't aware of Floriani's narrow genetic base so mixing it up is definitely a good idea. Thanks for the heads up. I'll probably use the two flints I have and throw in other corn and detassel the non-flints. I want to start off with a reasonably wide pool if I can. As mentioned above, I have some Silver Mine dent which looks reasonably flinty already so that's a good candidate I think. Popping corn looks flinty so perhaps I could throw some of that in at some point. I'll probably use some sweet corn too. I won't mind if down the track I get an occasional sweet kernel.
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Post by jondear on Oct 15, 2015 18:52:20 GMT -5
I've read he brought a kilo of corn seed with him back from Italy. Hey, I read it on the internet, so it must be true.
I requested a few of the deep orange corns from grin. With any luck, the curator will take pity on me and send me some. If I can get dryish grain here I may just grow it as is and improve by selection only. Kind of tough to do with 100 seeds, but it's a start I guess.
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Post by steev on Oct 16, 2015 0:28:07 GMT -5
I don't care for Floriani at all, but I think most of my issues with it are likely due to inbreeding depression. Smuggling a handful of corn out of Italy in your pants pocket is not a great way to start a variety with good genetic diversity. It would probably benefit greatly with mixing with Cascade Creamcap. IMO both of those varieties are horribly susceptible to Northern Leaf Blight, but that's only an issue if NLB is present in Oz. Dude! It's supposed to go in your shorts (interpreted as you please); they mostly won't grope/probe you unless you show up as "suspect". You can get more than a "handful", if you look "macho". Of course. there is always the possibility of a customs agent finding "macho" attractive; life is complex. Don't tape a salami to your thigh, not even a small one.
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Post by DarJones on Oct 18, 2015 0:34:02 GMT -5
inquiring minds do NOT want to hear about salami. Heard way too much several years ago about cucumber.
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Post by steev on Oct 18, 2015 21:59:30 GMT -5
While back in SF, of course, there was the guy involved in an accident that broke his leg, so that the medical personnel had to cut his (very) tight pants-leg, so they could treat the fracture, only to find a salami taped to his thigh; I don't recall the Chronicle mentioning whether it was duct-tape, or something less "macho".
Cucumber can't be right; gotta be a pork product.
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Post by raymondo on Oct 21, 2015 2:39:18 GMT -5
I probably won't get to doing much this season but I thought I'd sow some dents I have using a nokill cropping method. It'll take very little time to do and I have plenty of this particular seed so it's worth a shot.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Nov 12, 2015 14:40:41 GMT -5
A good flint landrace is what i'm hoping to establish myself at some point too. I think i still have a long way to go though. One obstacle is at some point i lost some good early flints that i had, and so i'm somewhat trying to locate replacements. I want to request some good flint corns from Canada, such as Saskatchewan Rainbow Flint, but one company that offers it no longer ships to the U.S. I don't know that i want stalks that are short, but i want good flint genetics and cobs, then i want early genetics, then sturdy stalks, then some purple husked ones. This is a photo of practically the only three cobs that made it this year. The one on the left is a re-selected cob from seed sent back from Joseph Lofthouse that i was breeding a few years back. I'm happy with it being a decent sized cob with a purple husk, but the kernel colors have a little to be desired. Although there are some interesting purple-ish chinmarkings going on. The one in the middle is one grown from Josephs seed he sent that I've never grown before, perhaps from his south american corn bred with northern corn project. It is a good size cob with purple husks. The orange kernels are interesting, but i haven't decided if i like that color or not. Regardless i'd like to keep breeding it. The cob on the right is some generic flint corn with LOTS of kernel color variation that i'm very happy with. It even has some speckled kernels. This is the kind of flint corn i'm looking for and wanting to breed into my landrace. Despite this cob being a little short i still like it a lot.
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Post by raymondo on Nov 12, 2015 16:39:31 GMT -5
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