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Post by Alan on Apr 4, 2007 18:47:11 GMT -5
Ok, here is a question for those who know a bit more than me. Is Golden Cross Bantam O.P. ? I know that golden bantam is and I know Golden Cross Bantam was crossed at some point between two inbred lines (golden bantam X ?) however I have heard a few conflicting statements regarding Golden Cross Bantam. One being that it is a hybrid another that it isn't and seed can be saved. Another is that when I bought my seed it was not treeted with any fungicides ext. Most hybrids are anymore. Another question I have is is this or is it not like golden bantam, will it hold it's flavor for days or 20-30 minuites like it's parent? Thanks -Alan
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Post by mayz on May 23, 2012 7:46:06 GMT -5
Five years to have some informations...its a long long time from this reference Tracy, W.F. Sweet corn. In "Specialty Corns", (ed. A.R. Hallauer), CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL, pp. 147-187 (1994). Golden Cross Bantam is the first single cross hybrid of sweet corn released in 1933. It was obtain by crossing two strains extracted from Golden Bantam (P39 (high row strain) and P51 (8 rows strain)). So GCB is su sweet corn like GB...eat them fast
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Post by nathan125 on May 23, 2012 21:20:19 GMT -5
golden bantam improved might be a good option.
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Post by DarJones on May 23, 2012 21:25:23 GMT -5
I grew GCB as a kid years ago but wouldn't grow it now. In its day, it was arguably the best sweet corn around. There are too many better flavored and better producing corns available now.
DarJones
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Post by RpR on May 24, 2012 0:56:54 GMT -5
Of all the corns I have planted I have never tried this one.
When I get to my garden at the home place, if I find a corn plot that is coming up under-whelmingly I may just get a pack and try some. Oddly this particular corn has been on my mind a lot this season because I had never planted it for reasons unknown. My mother had a gardening encyclopaedia printed in 1960 which curiosity got me to look in to see what they said about corn. Golden Cross Bantam, Country Gentlemen were the only two corns of the few listed that I knew of, or had heard of, much less still around.
I loathe most of the new extra sweet new varieties, it has kept me from buying corn on a whim from road side stands usually as they seem use it near exclusively now; therefore I may have to see if this is as good as most seed seller product hypes say it is.
I love Country Gentlemen and Silver Queen but I rarely repeat nowadays as I cannot sit and eat six at a time any more, Mom and dad are gone, my sig. other is allergic so the reason to grow it is more for nostalgia and curiosity than food on the table.
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Post by steev on May 24, 2012 1:25:58 GMT -5
Nostalgia is not to be disparaged. When I was nmt 7 years old, my Granny used to get gooseberry pie from a particular bakery. I lost track of it, and had no contact with gooseberries until after buying my farm at 60. I didn't know that they'd actually been prohibited most of that time. I got some plants and eventually a few berries: the first one I tried, it was all "Wow; that's exactly what I remember!"
No small number of old crops or varieties have largely been discarded not because they weren't good, but because they weren't as productive, shippable, or harvestable as later varieties, which have often been inferior in taste, if not nutrition.
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Post by nathan125 on May 24, 2012 11:04:28 GMT -5
thats a good point steev . i remember eating certain crops that were prevalent in my homeland. i feel though that there needs to be newer varieties out there, our population is booming and no signs if slowing down. we need production, production, production. also older varieties disease resistance is typically not great. i always try to buy seeds that have been saved from seed over time in climate zones similar to mine. i feel adaptation is great and is better than trying ther next best hybrid.
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Post by steev on May 24, 2012 23:38:30 GMT -5
One thing to remember is that if we weren't over-producing people, we wouldn't have so much need to over-produce food. Would it really be so bad to be able to concentrate on quality, rather than quantity?
I would question the proposition that disease resistance is typically not great in older varieties. I think that is often based on the model of extensive monoculture, which I think is just asking for crops to be subject to predation by insects and pathogens. I think monoculture, while seeming very productive, is so unstable ecologically that it demands huge inputs of energy in many forms to prevent its collapse.
As for hybrids, does it really make sense to rely on annual crops that take two years to produce; one for the seed, another for the crop? It's absurd to expect farmers in those parts of the world where population is growing fastest (thanks to stupid attitudes about birth control, not necessarily on their part) to buy new seed annually and the chemical regime needed to insure its productivity instead of re-planting their own locally adapted landraces.
I wonder how many countries have, in the last century, seen their agriculture impoverished by the rise of monoculture and export-agriculture. How many societies have been impoverished by the replacement of their peasants by monoculture and the technology it enables/requires? How many countries have seen the diet of their populace debased by the need to export what their land could produce?
I rant: I recognize that, but this self-destructive stupidity pisses me right off, especially in its being sold as "We need to do it for the hungry multitude, the children, the children". What duplicitous, mendacious tripe!
I'm not aiming this at anyone here; just had a button pushed, is all; burns my bacon, extractive agriculture does.
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Post by nathan125 on May 24, 2012 23:47:37 GMT -5
i can dig it. :0
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