My Golden Sweet is the same length but not as green. The second batch was shorter podded and did look paler. This year, grown side by side with the same weather conditions, will be answering for definite whether they are the same or similar. Thank you for the photo keen101 .
I bought Golden Sweet from Prairie Garden and noticed variation in the seed colours, so sorted them into five lots and grew them separately: all the seeds were mottled but ranged from pale tan through to red-brown and dark brown.
I saw no difference in pod colours.
Thank you Diane, yes the seed colours are rather varied, but I had different pods too, one paler one more golden yellow. And the paler one was a little smaller. But I must add that this is from memory, because it is only this year that I am growing both and will be able to compare both. They could still be identical after all and the observed differences may be explained by seasonal variations.
I have done exactly the same, grown the brown ones, the purple ones and the green ones with lighter purple speckle and made the same discovery you did. This variety (and several other varieties) have naturally variable seeds.
galina, Jupiter is low fibre - the OG cross is about getting sweet green peas inside the swelling pod. And a bit bigger pod. Jupiter is highly disease resistant - it was bred out of 'Chamber of Death', the best survivor from a plant testing trial. at least for Aussie diseases. T
Interesting, Templeton. I wasn't aware of Chamber of Death pea trials. Nothing on search engine apart from what is written here on the forum. Sounds like survivors must be tough peas.
Hi Templeton, from what I've read the Pur purple gene behaves a bit differently. Lamprecht - who did extensive work on peas (mostly in German) identified three degrees of pod colouration related to multiple alleles at the pur locus. Pur with full colouration, pur a and pur b with progressively less colouration and pur with no colouration. My guess is you've had a spontaneous mutation at this locus. Let me know if you want the reference.
I have tried to find it online and there does not seem to be a source. Anybody have an url for the Lamprecht research please? Or a summary either in German or English. Would appreciate being able to read it.
Have come to this thread somewhat belatedly (sorry) but it gave me a pretty good 'heads-up' regarding the problems with my red podded mangetout (snow) pea project. Especially the photo showing Pur, pur a, pur b and pur you posted steve1 .
steve1 , unfortunately I can't see your google drop box pictures of the fibre stains you did. Pity, they may of course have long been removed.
templeton, oh I get it. I had the opposite - don't really like the twisting of pods due to very low fibre, as they don't look as attractive as the slightly more fibrous mangetouts that keep their shape a bit better. Yes Oregon Giant is fibreless and therefore a good candidate to remove fibre from Jupiter. Good luck with the project. And you do incorporate the resistances of OG too.
I noticed that several of the Kapuler peas, definitely Opal Creek and Sugar Magnolia, are here still producing when other peas are declining with mildew. Haven't studied OG for late cropping, but to incorporate resistance is always a good thing. To bread a pea that goes on producing all season from an early spring sowing, is one of my long term hopes and probably easier in our cool climate than in warmer areas.
Oh I don't know. Snap pods are great, especially raw. Like a crunchy radish, but much sweeter. A salad veg or only very lightly steamed, rather than cooked. Personal opinion
Yes thank you for a great explanation why snaps are shorter than mangetout Templeton. And the yellows are smaller still on top of it. There are some sizeable greens and purple snaps, like Sugar Lord or Sugar Magnolia (bigger but not very much bigger). Unfortunately all my breeding was done with the smaller Amish Snap as I only got seeds of the others very recently. So I am looking forward to the SM cross grow out.
Keen that is very interesting. The most seeds in a large podded mangetout pea I know of is Carouby de Maussane with 9. 12 would be very exciting indeed. If it is possible to transfer the trait for seed numbers it might well lengthen the pods. Just imagine 8 inch long mangetouts! Will watch this space for news.
galina i wonder why you friend doesn't get flowers on hers? seems odd.
Yes it does. I have now a nice pot of seedlings ready for pricking out, so not only did they produce seeds, but that seed germinated like any other leek seed. And I am hoping for normal (but multiplying) leek plants from those seeds.
The parent plants have produced quite a nice number of babies for replanting too. So both sexual and asexual reproduction are going fine with these leeks.
keen101, I used the larger podded Court Estate Gold to breed my yellow snap. In the hope to get a massive snap. But alas it is only marginally larger than Opal Creek. And flatter than the green or purple snaps too. I don't know whether it is possible to breed a big yellow snap.
With all the confusions you had over labelling, there will be a great garden for observation and evaluation for you this year. Yes dry pods are very difficult to tell apart. You need to invest in a stash of various colour wool perhaps to tie around pea stems. Sometimes two markers on the plants are needed, one for flower colour and another for pod characteristics. Good luck 'finding' all your treasures again and for some great new types also.
The peachy pod colour is the rarest, much rarer than red from a cross between yellow and purple. I have yet to see that one in the garden here. Good luck with all your projects.
templeton, Sorry you had fibre in the snap pods. You do have a big advantage of starting off with a reliable purple and have bred a reliable purple mangetout (snow) pea. I have not yet found a purple mangetout or snap that is always reliable. I had Sugar Magnolia from two different sources, one with hypertendrils that had much better all over purple, the other with normal foliage where I had to select the best purple pods for seeds.
Why did you make the cross to another mangetout, Oregon giant? For disease resistance?
If I remember right, you have just embarked on your own very exclusive seed distribution. Your big yellow and purples mangetouts are such good looking peas and with freezer storage or cold fridge storage the seeds should stay in top condition for at least a decade.
Templeton, I don't think at germination time these temperatures matter. As it will soon get cooler where you are, it will hopefully be fine. Planting here like crazy at the moment as the seedling plants are about 4 inches to 5 inches tall and growing fast, but it is so cold and windy. Each plant gets a bottle cloche to protect them from voles, which have the secondary effect of some cold protection. So many F1s, F2s and further generations - garden labels and entry in gardening book with exact location just in case. This will be another exciting year in the pea garden.
With regards to the red podded pea project, I have (just for one year) put aside all the seeds from the crosses with Purple Podded and with Shiraz. The outcome so far was full red pods with shelling peas and part red with mangetouts, many with a good red coverage but not the full cover of red so far. I am however planting a new F1 combination with my own bred yellow snap Charlie's Gold Snap and Alan Kapuler's Sugar Magnolia and will see what that line brings over the next few years.
I need to critically compare my Golden Sweet stock that I bought decades ago from Future Foods with Golden Sweet from another source that I got from the Seed Circle more recently. I need to grow them side by side to be sure, but the newly acquired ones looked different last year. And as the originals indirectly went into my red pea project (my crosses were made with the larger yellow podded Court Estate Gold bred from that line of Golden Sweet), any different Golden Sweet lines might show up differently in red podded breeding projects. I know it is a slight thread drift, but has anybody else noticed differences in different batches of Golden Sweet?
Unfortunately none of us had fully red snap pods from Jayb's cross of Sugar Magnolia x Elisabeth a pink flowered pea. I could back-cross the pink flowered F5s to Sugar Magnolia. Just thinking aloud really as I am writing, must grow a few pink flowered Sugarbeth Snap plants and make the cross happen. More sowing. Any comments on the potential of that back cross would be appreciated.
Yes, but Rebsie 'only' reported getting shelling peas, not mangetouts. I have beautiful red shellers from the cross with Purple Podded, but a really good red in mangetouts has defeated me. Similarly the crosses with Shiraz, they are all mangetouts, but not fully red.
Have started to make new crosses last year with Sugar Magnolia pollen, but too early to know at this stage whether these are any better than the not so red mangetouts from Shiraz.