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Post by galina on Mar 18, 2019 1:52:36 GMT -5
Thank you keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) good idea. Maybe Mike Ambrose's email still works? Thank you for the pea database link. On the database af (hypertendrils) and fa fa2 fas are all in different linkage groups. Should be pretty straightforward 1 in 16 in the F2 or come through in later generations. I am not sure of the difference between the fasciation genes. But there is only one needed (if I understand the database right) to get fasciation. Not all of them together.
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Post by galina on Mar 17, 2019 4:37:39 GMT -5
A question for all please. I am utterly confused between internode length, number of nodes to flowering and flowering height. For example: www.seedstor.ac.uk/search-infoaccession.php?idPlant=23739Inter Node Length 95 Height to Flower (cm) 70 Nodes to Flower 15 If I have 15 nodes to flower there should be 14 inter node lengths 70 cm divided by 14 means we have 50mm internode length, not 95. What am I getting wrong here please?
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Post by galina on Aug 31, 2018 11:33:08 GMT -5
Welcome applesnmore and marc. I garden in Northants on heavy clay, but my preferred rootstock is also MM106. Never had an issue, very strong, healthy and forgiving rootstock. I think the risk of a wipeout is very low indeed with this rootstock.
Sorry Marc, no hops here either. In fact just brushing against them brings me out in blisters so I avoid them, but we see them occasionally in the wild. I am very interested in what you grow all the same and how you support those tall, tall plants. What varieties?
Welcome both.
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Post by galina on Aug 19, 2018 7:17:56 GMT -5
This is the classic marrowfat pea. www.wherryandsons.com/index.php/wherry-products/marrowfat-peas Often sold as 'garden pea'. A large green shelling pea that is sweet. Eaten as large mature pea. Different from the petit pois, which are much smaller and juicier. Dried marrowfat peas are also used for re-hydrating, cooking (with a tablet of bicarb!) to make them very soft, then mashing for bright green 'mushy peas'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushy_peasIf you know the tall variety 'Telephone' that is an example of a marrowfat, but of course the modern marrowfat types are shorter and can be harvested by combine harvester. Carlin and maple peas are non-sweet types and are used to make different dishes. This is one recipe: www.thespruceeats.com/lancashire-black-peas-and-vinegar-434956
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Post by galina on Aug 16, 2018 12:04:24 GMT -5
keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.), thank you so much. Glad it is still there. I wondered whether it was to do with Mike Ambrose retiring. He has been so helpful and friendly and never minded amateur questions. Yes the access to it is tedious, but at least it is still available to us.
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Post by galina on Aug 16, 2018 1:24:23 GMT -5
I've just been rereading the JIC database, and noted a couple of genes for purple striations on the pods,and others for purple stripes along the pod edge. Some of these must be mixed up in my peas. Also noted there's a gene for asymetric lobe development in the leaflets - this is what is showing up in my yellow semi-leafless trials...I must have a closer look tonight. T I can't find the database anymore. Has it been moved?
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Post by galina on Aug 15, 2018 4:34:24 GMT -5
Just clicked to 'quote' from your WTF post and then could not delete the photo. It is also on the WTF post of January last year. Did you not post it there? If so indeed, how did it get there?
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Post by galina on Aug 14, 2018 3:14:58 GMT -5
The latest from the WTF department. Have not seen my perennial leeks produce a scape like this before, looks to have bulbils though which maybe worth growing on. Oh yes, my Perlzwiebel Minogue has produced flowers that have now both seeds and tiny bulbils in them! Not seen this before ever, well they rarely flower in the first place. WTF indeed. Need to grow on to see whether this is a cross with a walking onion (of which there were plenty growing near the Minogue) or whether this is just another way that this plant can express itself. After all, my leeks grown for seed often have tiny bulbils hiding in the seed heads, more so if the flowering happened during sustained rainy weather. richardw Glad you had the same. Did you plant the bulbils and what happened?
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Post by galina on Aug 6, 2018 3:01:23 GMT -5
Well Quartz is at the tall end of short peas, which bodes well. And I hope you can place your stringless one.
The issue is I think that tiny umbellatum would still be top heavy, bend over and end up with pea pods in the mud. At least you won't get that by staking the half tall ones. I believe you need a certain proportion of green material to pods and a tiny plant may not make that many, even if it were possible. But I must admit that some of the modern tiny peas seem to defy that ratio if pictures are anything to go by. Good luck @keen
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Post by galina on Aug 6, 2018 2:44:51 GMT -5
Wow ethin so many. Interesting ratio. The F3 generation looks like slightly less than half to me and the F2 not all purple either. But just look at them! @keen Yes growing them is the only way to know for sure. After a few year's selection, it should become obvious whether it is genetic or environmental. Thank you for the hint about toad soren. I did have a conversation with Robert about them, but I don't think he is growing them anymore. Wish me luck next year.
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Post by galina on Aug 2, 2018 4:55:32 GMT -5
The problem with umbellatums is that their overall yield is lower than ordinary peas. And they need staking as the ones I know are half tall only and very top heavy. I am at the very early stages of evaluating/breeding with those peas that have multiple flowers at each node, but have not done any work on this project this year.
My one seed from a cross to a commercial stringless snap pea (Quartz) did not germinate this year. Unfortunately the Quartz peas I grew for the cross and for extra seed saving this year perished and I am getting low on seeds. Need to start right from the beginning with this project.
Quartz is a relatively short pea and those are always at risk locally, which is why I prefer tall peas. I note that backcrossing the F1 to the stringless variety is required to boost those stringless genes. It needs to be pollen from the stringless Quartz applied to the F1 for the backcross, if I got that right. The stringless pollen is not very competitive, so it needs to be helped a bit by removing the pollen on the F1.
I agree it is nonsense that mangetouts (snow peas) have round seeds, but the purpose of the video was how to breed stringless, so that is not an issue. I could just about cope with the audio.
Well I am not (yet) giving up on the project to breed stringlessness into other peas I like, but the start hasn't exactly been anything to boast about unfortunately. Frustrating. I wonder why the original stringless type perished.
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Post by galina on Aug 2, 2018 3:58:39 GMT -5
In other pea new I had a Naturally Occurring Hybrid show up in the shelling peas. Also I think those purple seeds that came from Joseph Lofthouse Soup pea mix last year where F2 and about half the F3 seed this year is also purple so unless all the purple disappears next year we have some new strains of purple seeded (snap) peas. What was the hybrid ethin? And would we have to wait for the F2 generation to see whether it is a hybrid or a mutation? Is this 'half of the F3 seed is also purple' a broad brush statement or did you count (or estimate) the harvested seeds? What I am trying to get at is that it isn't a straightforward Mendellian ratio. Having for the first time ever got purple seeds here, I'd be absolutely delighted if half were still purple in my F3 generation next year.
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Post by galina on Aug 2, 2018 3:49:42 GMT -5
Sometimes purpleish peas will show up in golden sweet heritage and others, presumably from environmental effects, these kind never stay the next generation. Purple Passion is the only one i know of that does. Great pity if this is true. For the first time ever I have got all fully dark purple seeds in an F2 pod and I had great hopes it might stay. I was very surprised as I had never seen it before. Here is a photo (in the 4th post from top of the page): www.growingfoodsavingseeds.co.uk/forum/main-forum/general-topics/8793-harvesting-2018/page2Ok, you have just 'adjusted' my hopes and expectations here, @keen
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Post by galina on Jul 31, 2018 8:58:54 GMT -5
Well the flowers got smaller, the plant overrun by whitefly (which isn't a problem other than for the flowers). Ladybirds are taking care of them, but no bagging happened. The early flowers turned into nice fat pods, the later ones not so much. The plant itself is still doing well despite having flowered.
I have cut off all dry flower stalks and pods and harvested the seeds. Certainly the early seed is looking nice and plump. For a test I have sown just as few and today the first one has germinated. Fertile seeds, yay!
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Post by galina on Jul 11, 2018 4:53:29 GMT -5
reed I so agree with every word you said. We are currently in a drought like I have never seen. No rain for 2 months. Summer in the UK used to be 2 days in the 80s. Not over a month. I have 2 inch cracks in the soil right next to where plants are being watered. In many parts of the world there seems to be the heat of the day and then a thunderstorm with a good bit of rain at night. But we haven't had that, just heat and drought. My ample water stores are long gone. It is a new extreme. And definitely no good at all for my peas and many other crops are suffering too
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