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Post by troppo on Jun 1, 2017 23:29:17 GMT -5
I have a section of the garden planted this winter to your mix temp. Can't wait to see the diversity.
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Post by troppo on Apr 8, 2017 19:36:18 GMT -5
tropp, they were very tasty on the whole. i got seed off all of them, so will be replanting the most productive ones next season to see how they produce. Good to hear that they were tasty, here's hoping that they maintain their floriferous nature. What colours showed up?
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Post by troppo on Apr 5, 2017 20:30:56 GMT -5
Multiflora is a single recessive gene so you may have something new. Would be useful to grow some offsprings and to make a cross with a multiflora to try to see what kind of gene(s) you are into... A dominant single gene for cluster flowering would be so cool... My record keeping with this project has been somewhat short of diligent. I wish I had kept better notes. I did intend to backcross this line to original JF, I think i did a few years ago, but the seed is probably lost in the bowels of the second seed fridge. The original plan was to get a dwarf JF, and I really should just get the project going properly. I don't think I've got any multiflora seed - certainly a bit late in the year to be sowing more - too much on my plate at the moment. I am growing these side by side with JF at the moment, so might do that cross this year and label it correctly! I need to wait until some fruit ripen so i can use the best parent. I will be collecting seed, so if anyone wants any, let me know - and then remind me ! T Hey T, just following up on these Floriferous tomatoes. How'd they go this season and were they any good? Decent yields?
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Post by troppo on Mar 23, 2017 0:52:06 GMT -5
2) What colour combinations could result out of this cross? I'm guessing reds, yellows, oranges and maybe pinks? Here are three good links that talk about color combinations and tomato genetics that i really like. I don't know all the ins-and-outs when it comes to the thin outer coating being pink or clear or whatever. But here you go. Let me know if you learn anything cool. frogsleapfarm.blogspot.com/2014/04/genetic-control-of-fruit-color-in.htmlthe-biologist-is-in.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-color-of-tomatoes.htmlkdcomm.net/~tomato/Tomato/color.htmlEDIT: also in response to the pear shape mentioned above try also keeping track of any dwarf plants and see if pear shape is linked to dwarf phenotype. And if pear shape is not actually recessive itself it makes sense that it would appear or behave as a recessive if it is indeed pleiotropic in nature as you might need the right combination of several genes all at the same time. Thanks for the great info! Will try to get some plants to produce over winter to get some F2 seed for the following spring. Decided that I'm also going to try some crosses with Japanese Black Trifele as its pear shaped and seems to be a pretty good tasting general purpose tomato.
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Post by troppo on Mar 14, 2017 18:27:18 GMT -5
I've done a bit of research, searching for varieties that are pear-shaped to try some future crosses to increase my chances of obtaining pears in the F2, as from what I've found pear-shape is recessive. It appears that here in OZ we are pretty limited apart from the pear-shaped cherries. However from what I can find JAPANESE BLACK TRIFELE is pear shaped and I've found CUORE DI BUE 'RUGANTINO F1' variety which is also somewhat pear-shaped although very ruffled. Both appear to have pretty good reviews in regards to yield and flavour as a general use tomato (sauces, slices, dried etc).
If this 'project' moves towards the direction of aiming for large pears then a cross between these two varieties may be the go. Given that CUORE DI BUE 'RUGANTINO F1' is a hybrid there may be all kinds of things pop up in the cross. It may also be worth while dehybridising the F1? So many options but so little space...
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Post by troppo on Mar 14, 2017 18:15:55 GMT -5
One of the crosses I made last year was between yellow pear, and a red saladette tomato who I call Brad. Overwinter, it produced about 30 F2 seeds that I expect to plant in about a month. I'm looking forward to making a grow report. Will be interested to hear what comes up in the F2 Joseph.
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Post by troppo on Mar 13, 2017 22:53:16 GMT -5
Trop, Greek Witness is a big red beefteak that is a little taller than wide. Might be a useful parent if you are intent on a particular outcome. otherwise, sit back and enjoy the diversity ride. You can accelerate the process in the first year - If you crossed this year, and already have seed, sow a few and try to get a plant to fruit over winter. Can you get them to overwinter up in SEQ? - doesn't have to do anything except produce a dozen of so viable seeds - you aren't interested in the phenotype of the F1 (apart from looking to see if your cross was successful, and not a normal self-pollination). All the fun starts in the F2, which with your winter grown fruit you can start to sow next spring. Sounds like a solid plan. I should be able to over winter where I am, I managed to have some tomatoes germinate and grow through our winter here even growing through our heavy frost. At this stage I'm aiming for 'pear' shapes as I think they are quite aesthetically pleasing over the regular rounds. Maybe select something that is a good general purpose tomato? Who knows what will pop up. Must say its one of the enjoyable parts of plant breeding is seeing all the weird combinations.
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Post by troppo on Mar 13, 2017 18:13:22 GMT -5
Quick questions for all the 'mato breeders out there. I've recently created a number of crosses this season (first season I've crossed toms), one of which was College Challenger X Yellow Pear, basically just for kicks to see what comes out of it. No real aim or desire apart from seeing what weird combinations it throws. I'm unfamiliar with tomato gene combinations, recessive/dominant traits etc so just chasing some info to a few questions.
1) When crossing a large round to a small pear, what are the chances of getting a large/medium pear-shaped tomato? To better increase my chances of getting a pear-shape, would I have been better off crossing Japanese Black Triffele (which is already somewhat pear-shaped) with Yellow Pear?
2) What colour combinations could result out of this cross? I'm guessing reds, yellows, oranges and maybe pinks?
I appreciate any info anyone can give and the time to help out a fellow hobbyist.
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Post by troppo on Nov 15, 2016 18:05:20 GMT -5
Many thanks for the offer Steev, unfortunately due to quarantine laws corn can't be brought into the country which is a bit of a pain and limits the OP varieties we can work with here. Templeton sent me quite a few a few months ago which will allow me to add some new genes into my lines to beef up the diversity.
What other projects are you working on?
My current projects apart from the red sweetcorn project include: C. maxima - developing something similar to Joseph Lofthouse's buttercup maximas but with a more familiar pumpkin shape (ie no 'buttercup button on the blossom end) C. pepo - developing a sweeter and more flavorsome spaghetti squash Purple Tomatoes - red beefsteaks with purple shoulders and white cherries with purple shoulders Snowpeas - stabilizing my own purple line and red/yellow bicolour line
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Post by troppo on Oct 31, 2016 19:21:30 GMT -5
Hi, Just wondering for those that have grown this variety, how many days roughly does it take to flower?
Currently in a hot/dry climate here in Oz if that helps.
Cheers
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Post by troppo on Oct 18, 2016 20:39:18 GMT -5
Hi Steve1, thanks for the welcome. Good to hear from other people who have got bitten by the plant breeding bug. My pea growing season is usually over winter. I sow late Autumn with peak pea production over winter, I have a spot on the north side of the house so the plants don't get direct frost just cold temps. My season ends now as its already getting a bit hot for them (and i needed the space for other projects). I would like to try and get spring production but i think that its just to hot for them here that time of year (summer is definitely out).
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Post by troppo on Oct 17, 2016 19:16:25 GMT -5
Very nice looking maximas there Joseph. I'm a long time lurker having recently introduced myself on the introductions page. I've been playing around plant breeding for a few years now ever since having studied at uni and working for some big Ag seed breeding companies, but your landrace breeding work has encouraged me to seriously take it up as a major project. I have been following your adventures on Mother earth news for a while. Whilst my heart is in grains (given my farming background), I love using heirloom/heritage vegies as the possibilities are endless!
I'm currently undertaking a maxima project aiming for an outcome similar to yours however instead of the buttercup shape I'm aiming for more of a familiar pumpkin shape as people where I live are a bit fickle trying new things. I'm using Strawberrycrown as a parent line as it has the shape I'm after and has always grown exceptionally well for me and I'm backcrossing buttercup and some kabocha types to get a bit better quality flesh with similar colouring to yours.
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Post by troppo on Oct 12, 2016 17:59:05 GMT -5
Hi all,
Long time lurker, first time poster. Many thanks to Templeton for encouraging me to jump on board.
Firstly about myself, I've previously worked for some Aust Ag companies breeding sorghum/sunflower/sweet corn. Currently hold B.AgSc and studying a research masters in Irrigation dynamics for pulse crops. Have long had a keen interest in plant breeding (mainly grain crops). However I stumbled across one of Joseph Lofthouse's articles on landrace gardening and breeding which got me interested in veg breeding. I jumped aboard one of the Oz forums and Templeton was very kind enough to send me a heap of seed to progress some of my continuing projects.
My current projects: Red Sweetcorn, Purple Snowpea, White-fleshed rockmelons, a range of tomato projects (blue beefsteaks, pink trusses, whites), also working on a C.maxima pumpkin and also improving C.pepo Spaghetti Squash (sweeter, orange flesh).
My location is Goondiwindi, Qld. Semi-arid which usually gets temperate winters down to -3oC and subtropical summers up to 40oC. Rainfall is spread between the two seasons however is highly variable in summer and subject to very hot and dry periods.
Well I don't want to waffle on to much, so anyway that's me
Cheers
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