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Post by PapaVic on Jun 26, 2008 9:20:56 GMT -5
KC is correct ... Black Cherry can look far darker and more "purple" earlier in the season when foliage cover is dense. Later in the year when the vines begin to defoliate, my Black Cherry tomatoes got a tint that I definitely would call "brick red." I don't have any really good pictures of Black Cherry to demonstrate the difference in colors through the season, but here is one photo of some Black Cherry tomatoes picked early in the season.  My seeds are from a reliable source for true Black Cherry tomatoes. pv |
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Post by flowerpower on Jun 26, 2008 20:54:29 GMT -5
Papavic, those do look purple-ish. Very nice! So what is the yellow? I see a little bit of pink in there too.
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Post by paquebot on Jun 26, 2008 23:05:35 GMT -5
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "genetic segregation" screwing with the purity of the line. Does this refer to the culling of some plants that aren't the best? It's very simple. No variety has ever been fully stabilized as an F2. I suspect that there are some which still exhibit instability 10 generations later. Black Cherry wasn't one that was grown for many years in a test field and then released when close to 100% stable. In fact, I would hazard a guess that the initial release of seeds were for others to continue the stabilization process. In the past, conscientious growers would cull anything not according to the variety standard or at least not save seed from it. Now there are more than enough people who either don't give a damn or too ignorant to even be in the game. One of my early posts on Garden Web was a warning to everyone that many varieties were in danger of being "killed with kindness". It's gotten worse since then! Martin |
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Post by Alan on Jun 26, 2008 23:53:57 GMT -5
[quote author=paquebot board=tomatoes thread=1293 [/quote]
Now there are more than enough people who either don't give a damn or too ignorant to even be in the game. One of my early posts on Garden Web was a warning to everyone that many varieties were in danger of being "killed with kindness". It's gotten worse since then!
Martin [/quote]
While that is a very good possiblility that's also why sites like this one exist so that we can share such information with people to help them to understand and cater to selection criteria which will produce true to type seed as well as keeping an eye open for new variations which may be worthy of preservation, a task in itself which is just as important as maintaining and selecting for type of those lines already in circulation and existence. I do agree that some folks do overextend themselves to some extent to keep alive lines and strains which may not be over deserving of a place in ones garden or in trading seeds that are labled very particularly to be of a specific line such as black cherry. But we have to do our best to educate and allow people to understand these things, particularly those with no prior experience in gardening, seed saving, and particularly in the world of preservation as well as plant breeding.
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Post by flowerpower on Jun 27, 2008 6:52:35 GMT -5
Martin, thanks for clarifying that for me. I get it now. I thought "segregation" meant isolation distances.
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Post by PapaVic on Jun 27, 2008 10:06:23 GMT -5
Flower, The yellow tomato in the picture is Tom's Yellow Wonder. They usually have a itty bit of pink streaking. Here is a link to a Web page that explains segregation and recombination of tomato genes after a cross ... like when you grow out the F2 seeds, F3s, etc., down the line: kdcomm.net/~tomato/gene/genes2.htmlpv When you see "on the previous page" in the text on the page, it refers to this page: kdcomm.net/~tomato/gene/genes.html |
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Post by blanesgarden on Jun 27, 2008 23:53:08 GMT -5
So, I tried......
Thanks for looking....
Good Luck on yours!
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Post by flowerpower on Jun 30, 2008 6:28:48 GMT -5
Bill, Thanks for the links. See that's the kind of info I like. The Tom's Yellow Wonder is a nice shade of yellow.
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Post by jtcm05 on Jun 30, 2008 6:52:48 GMT -5
Pic of TYW showing the red blush that PV was speaking of...  |
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Post by jaliranchr on Jun 30, 2008 9:30:03 GMT -5
John??? I don't see a picture. And don't try to slip a pic of sungold in.  |
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Post by kctomato on Jun 30, 2008 10:52:15 GMT -5
most of my TYW turned into TYB
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Post by jtcm05 on Jun 30, 2008 14:14:44 GMT -5
hmmmm....B=bust?
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Post by tomstrees on Jun 30, 2008 14:20:38 GMT -5
b=bummer ... very lame ~ Tom
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Post by kctomato on Jun 30, 2008 23:48:03 GMT -5
b=bummer ... very lame ~ Tom b=blunder rhymes with "wonder" Scary McCain rhymes with ... ;D |
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Post by tomstrees on Jul 1, 2008 9:01:15 GMT -5
We both got reds which IS lame but cool at the same time...
Mine kinda looked like "Pineapple" ...
Anywho, I'm growing Black Cherry for my first time this season - seems like a cool plant so far.
~ Tom
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