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Post by nightmist on Nov 14, 2008 17:53:01 GMT -5
Ipomoea Purga or Ipomoea Jalapa, most sources say it is the same plant with yer standard botanical naming conundrum.
I want to grow it.
I cannot find it.
Lorna over on Idig says she will try to send me some seed from what might be the right morning glory. It grows wild on her place and I figure it is worth a shot.
Last time I did a search for it, I found only one place in the UK with a listing and they said they were out of stock. On the off chance I asked a guy in Scotland to keep an eye out on my behalf.
After its escape from cultivation down south it never made it this far north as a weed, the climate is not good for it. It is however worth my while to try growing as buying the roots is a chancey buisness. So often buying it you get roots that are badly worm eaten or that are from 4 O'clocks or some plant with a similar appearing root.
Has anybody ever seen the seed for sale anywhere?
Anybody ever tried growing it themselves?
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Post by cff on Nov 14, 2008 18:10:45 GMT -5
We have wild morning glory's here too - can you post a picture of the type your after ?
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Post by houseodessey on Nov 14, 2008 18:34:32 GMT -5
We also get wild ones. Both white and purple/lavender ones. I'd like to see a pic of what you're looking for, as well.
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Post by nightmist on Nov 16, 2008 2:17:36 GMT -5
That is part of the problem. It looks like any of a dozen other morning glories. Since I haven't found seed, I haven't grown it, so I don't know what it would look like at my house. The only way I would know for sure is to dig up the root and look at it. Here is the davesgarden page on it, their photos are all magenta flowers, though I have seen it described as anything from pink to deep purple and about anything that happens to fall between. davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/107588/ |
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Post by canadamike on Nov 16, 2008 2:34:21 GMT -5
Can I be explained the tittle '' High John The Conqueror'' please?
Frenchie ;D
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Post by flowerpower on Nov 16, 2008 7:43:09 GMT -5
From Wikipedia-"John the Conqueror was an African prince who was sold as a slave in the Americas. Despite his enslavement, his spirit was never broken and he survived in folklore as a sort of a trickster figure, because of the tricks he played to evade his masters"
Nightmist, the roots of any morning glory (except Moonflower) can be used as substitutions in spells. There is really no magickal reason you need that root. There is nothing unique about it magickally. All its uses are very common.
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Post by nightmist on Nov 16, 2008 18:49:34 GMT -5
I will pass that info on to my husband the conjure man. Then I reckon I will have to get my coat and gloves, grab a shovel, and start cursing the snow.  I bet those buggers are down _deep_ too. Dear Husband does not like to second guess when it comes to plants and herbs, hence the search. Medicinally I have four o'clocks, which are just as good for most things as jalap, but there are so many plants that are gentler in those particular effects that I just about never use that root for medicine. Mostly I like the flowers, and four o'clocks have the added benefit of being pure death on japanese beetles. |
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Post by nightmist on Nov 16, 2008 19:11:19 GMT -5
Can I be explained the tittle '' High John The Conqueror'' please? Frenchie ;D Ah! I see what I did! Jalap root is called High John the Conqueror Root. Flowerpower has told you a little bit about the mythology. John the Conqueror occupies that niche in African American folklore that is occupied by a slew of other trickster spirits and heros in tales across the world. He has done everything from outwitting the devil to marrying the woman he loved. Most often he has outwitted slave owners in every state south of the Mason-Dixon line. |
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Post by johno on Nov 16, 2008 22:32:13 GMT -5
I wondered about that, too...
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Post by flowerpower on Nov 17, 2008 5:55:15 GMT -5
Night, don't you have a copy of "Cunningham's Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs" ? lol Makes a nice Yule gift for hubby.  You'll find it in the New Age section of any big bookstore. One thing I really like about it, is that it gives all the folk names of a plant. |
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Post by nightmist on Nov 17, 2008 20:01:57 GMT -5
I usually reference John Lust, or once in a while Culpepper.
We have Cunninghams book around here somewhere, and we do use it for crossreferencing.
magically, we tend to prefer either the older general texts or the Hyatt texts.
Some days I think a body ought to pick up every herbal you can lay hands on just to be able to cross reference the names. But then you run into things that want to make you slap people, like the online reference I ran across that claimed High John root was four o'clock. Dunno where they blew it on that, the similarity of latin names, or the commonality of medicinal usage or what.
Dear husband is always having me research plants for him. Between the conjure folks, the Vaudaun folk, the ceremonial magicians, and his foody friends, he keeps me busy!
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Post by flowerpower on Nov 18, 2008 6:11:34 GMT -5
You can never have too many books. lol I do have alot of cross reference material too. I really like books on herbal folklore. I was really proud of myself a few wks ago. I was in the Kitchen Garden of the DAR house near here. I correctly named every plant there. (I was shocked lol) Others seemed impressed though, since al the plants were dead. I see I am going to have to go back with a trowel next time.  |
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Post by dogwoman on Nov 28, 2008 12:32:09 GMT -5
Nightmist, I put your morning glory seeds into the mail a few days ago. I hope they turn out to be what you are looking for, rather than Grandpa Otts. The color of the flowers is a deep purple, but there is a magenta quality as well, depending upon how the light hits it.
Lorna
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Post by zephyrbird6a on Nov 29, 2008 1:24:51 GMT -5
Oooooh la la! So nice to see a magical discussion. ahhhh, I love it! NightMist, if you don't have this website, I suggest this as an excellent source for healing or "magickal" uses of herbs. The man's a genius, and could actually discuss with me the difference between seeded comfrey and bocking 14. Took me over 10 years to even find someone who knew the difference, let alone sold me viable seed. Richo is THE man. Horizon Herbs: www.horizonherbs.com/Here's what I found on a quick search of "Ipomoea": www.horizonherbs.com/search.asp?mode=resultsI trust this company implicitly. Chinese, Hindu, North or South American, medicinal or magical, he's my go-to guy.  Zeph |
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Post by nightmist on Nov 30, 2008 0:30:41 GMT -5
Nightmist, I put your morning glory seeds into the mail a few days ago. I hope they turn out to be what you are looking for, rather than Grandpa Otts. The color of the flowers is a deep purple, but there is a magenta quality as well, depending upon how the light hits it. Lorna Got em! Thank you darlin! If they are the thing, awesome! If they are not, well I am moving this spring (depending on what I can find to move to when) and you can never have too many grandpa otts. Well, yeah you can, but I love em anyway! ;D |
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You'll find it in the New Age section of any big bookstore. One thing I really like about it, is that it gives all the folk names of a plant. 
