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Post by silverseeds on Aug 20, 2009 23:07:31 GMT -5
oh wow apricots breed true from seed? great to know, yes Id love some of those. But just so its clear unless I can get more Idont want to trade the five I got. I should be able to get more because shes alreeady asked my wife if she wants some of her neighbors lettuce seed as well. I hope it ends up being one shes grown for years. Might not know until I grow it. I think this weekend I will go to zuni and see if I can find some peaches. If I do I will buy extra.
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Post by canadamike on Aug 21, 2009 0:56:11 GMT -5
nothing in the world really breeds true from seed unless self pollinated.
It would be wiser to say that we, humans, are only looking at a very frall fraction of what life is, the part that satisfies us. Many many things will grow, even if hybridized, to our total satisfaction.
The prunus family is usually good at being loyal to us, resembling the mother. It does not means it breeds true from seed. It only means the result is usually very good.
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Post by silverseeds on Aug 21, 2009 1:14:01 GMT -5
LOL I dont need it exact so we are fine, just desireable fruits, there is germplasm of most of them that can live here, even if its marginal. All I have to do is fine them.
Thing is though with apples and pears, I can spread the seeds and make the difference I can as fast with peaches, and apricots. another long term plan is to spread alot of these things far and wide. The edible seeded grasses, the perrenial weeds, the fruit trees, and various berry bushes. Hopefully a few grains as well.
Any other types of fruit trees out there that are seed friendly?
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Post by katiec on Aug 21, 2009 8:06:37 GMT -5
SilverSeeds, Mind if I pose a question?
Reading your tag makes me wonder--Do you know where Questa, N.M. is located? I have a friend there, and she tells me she could only have a garden in a greenhouse.Since I don't know a thing about your area, I'm wondering, since you seem to grow most everything. Is it elevation?-or could she indeed grow what you do?
Sorry for the intrusion, please resume regular conversation--(and Thank's)
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Post by silverseeds on Aug 21, 2009 9:07:56 GMT -5
katiec, I think most likely yes. I have talked about this with alot of people. nearly everyone I know who tried gave up. One of them has a greenhouse, the others either gave uo or simply grow a few simple things. Theres exceptions of course. but if your from the same zone in another part of the country, and you try to grow those same varieties, you will fail badly. If you plant in the traditional times to plant for this zone, many things will be stunted. I plants rows and rows of beans one year to find even though as far as my zone went I planted a week late that it was still to cold, luckily one variety grew that year. Theres also unusually lates frosts in spring at times, and very early ones in fall. So you might grow corn the whole year and depending on variety it could get decimated iin a single night as happend to our predecessors. But by using the RIGHT germplasm, I can get beyond this. It is well within the capabilities of most of these plants to grow here. This is why so much of my plans include breeding rather then just finding the right varieties. I have yet to met a single person here who grow tomatoes well for instance who didn start with a nearly full grown greenhouse tomatoe. So this area i vry marginal for most things, following conventional wisdom you wont be able to grow here well at all without a greenhouse. This is why Im growing many things I dont even like. Just to find the best ways too work it in.
Within a few years I will be sharing knowledge and seeds with every single place I can around here, withing ten I hope to have completely new cultivars, specifically formed for thei regions and others like it. It isnt as steep of a climb as it might sounds, will just take some time, and the ability to accept some set backs and failures. Some of it will be fine by simply selecting the right varieties, like corn I now have more then one corn that given a little water will make it here each and everyyear unlike the native varieties, which are to long of a season to make it here every year evn with good water. Well they are native varieties mostly, just happen to be shorter seasoned versions. Alot of things I plan always would have done well here, others just never tried it.
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Post by castanea on Aug 21, 2009 10:37:47 GMT -5
Silverseeds-I really agree with the way you think and wish you much luck.
You can plant chestnuts.
Sea buckthorn should do well.
Hybrid oaks and hybrid chestnuts from Oikos.
Uzbek pistachio from One Green World.
Delta and Gamma filberts from One Green World.
Pears are interesting from seed. You'll usually get something edible but small. I lucked out and got one that's edible and large.
Pecans
Almonds
Caucasus apples (Kazak apples) -maybe get seed from Dawes Arboretum
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Post by bunkie on Aug 21, 2009 10:45:54 GMT -5
Thank you, SSeeds, Can we return the favor and send you some apricot and peach pits from our orchard? You can see how they will do for you and let us know? val, do these pits grow full size trees or dwarfs? silverseeds, these zuni peaches, are they full or dwarf trees? great thread and posts all! |
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Post by grungy on Aug 21, 2009 11:24:19 GMT -5
Pobably full sized trees. However, we have pruners and we keep them down to semi-dwarf size by giving the annual haircuts (okay branch cuts).
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Post by silverseeds on Aug 21, 2009 11:48:01 GMT -5
thanks for the ideas castanea. bunkie I dont know, actuall, all I know is they are still alive, and maybe I can get some, the rest I know is the spanish broght them, since they grow cool tolerant, and are hardy. Although some peach trees are more cold hardy then these, I think. If I can find them Im going to get as many as possible. I will share atleast a few of them with others. These other ones though which might be decended from the zuni ones, I (which my wife is going to ask if they know) I might be able to get a bunch who knows. maybe she has a pile of the pits after she canned the rest or something. I might get lucky and score a whole heap of them.
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Post by ottawagardener on Aug 21, 2009 12:02:13 GMT -5
Reliance is considered an extremely cold hardy peach tree but I'm not sure if it is bred to produce for your particular circumstances, but I figured you could look it up.
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Post by silverseeds on Aug 21, 2009 18:43:00 GMT -5
grungy, looks like I will be getting some more of these peach pits. Noone apparently knows the origin. Fruits seem pretty small based on pit size. It apparently has survived some tough frosts to, based on wha my wife was told, they telated it to it being next to a house, but Im not sure they would make much of a difference at all. So it must have been the genes, is my guess. lets hope this is one of the ones which breed well from the seed...... I should have some to share, for anyone else interested, I will se how many I get.
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Post by silverseeds on Aug 21, 2009 18:43:24 GMT -5
ottawa, thanks I will look into that one too
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Post by williethered on Aug 24, 2009 16:53:20 GMT -5
Patrick we have that clay here too. Its called caliche. And yes compost is the only answer besides moving, but no where else has the weather or the waves.
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Post by canadamike on Aug 24, 2009 17:51:39 GMT -5
where are you,Willie?
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Post by silverseeds on Aug 25, 2009 2:34:02 GMT -5
www.redwoods.quik.com/webteck/george/newordering.htmlThis place has all kinds of neat stuff. Alot of edible perennials. I just got my order from them. It took a LONG time. Like two or three weeks. But he did answer emails quick. They have a bunch of neat stuff I cant wait to try. If you check out the site and find a site with similar kinds of stuff PLEASE let me know, so I can see if they have something I want. Its not only perrenials hes got, but thats why I bought from him.
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