Help in research please

[canadamike]

www.plantea.com/plant-aspirin.htm

It would be interesting to have friendshere trying aspirin water on plant diseases especially the new blight. I t could be interesting if it was tried on healthy plants that are from susceptible cultivars ( most of them are) and on plants exhibiting the first signs of the disease.

If it only slows the disease, it will already be a victory.

[silverseeds]

Id thought of trying colloidal silver, pretty cheap to make, and is anti fungal and antibacterial. Ive used it on plants and say immedian improvements, not diseased plants mind you, but I seriously would try it. For about 30 dollars you could make hundreds of gallons.

[lavandulagirl]

Michel... is this an experiment you want done from point of germination forward, ie: something we would do starting next growing season, or something you want done with existing crops now?

[canadamike]

Now, especially if there is blight around or on the plants.SS, where do you buy colloidsl silver?

[silverseeds]

I make it. It is pretty easy to make, but takes some time, but Id be very curious to see if it worked. It is totally safe for plants. If you buy it it would cost WAY WAY WAY to much. But if you made it yourself you could do it pretty cheap. Plants love it for whatever reason I dont know, I heard they did so I tried it. but this blight is interesting I was going to recomend this the other day, but forgot. I seriously would try it.

[canadamike]

you got a generator? Where do you get the silver?

[silverseeds]

You dont need a colloidal silver generator, that is just a fancy way to hold two pieces of silver.

[Jim]

silverseeds..maybe you could post a how-to on how make colloidal silver

[nastarana]

Eureka!! Our resident alchemist is turning base metal into silver!!!

Can gold be far behind?

[nastarana]

Mike, might asperin water be effective against deseases of roses, specifically mildew and black spot?

[canadamike]

I never tried it, butI sure google it like crazy. There are claims of even diseases regression and disappearance. It is not very precise in the main article I read, but I am sure there are more precise details. However, the claims must have been substantiated enough in order to interest the official scientific community to look into it very seriously.
Mind you, salix extracts were known to be used for the same purpose, although I never did, and aspirin is chemically very close to them. Although man made, it was inspired by it.

Here is a U of Arizona paper:

www.papillonsartpalace.com/aspirinforplants.htm

Another one discussing a study of the U. of Rhode Island

www.seattlepi.com/nwgardens/325091_lovejoy28.html

[PatrickW]

Silver is a heavy metal and will build up in the soil with use. It's not something I would want to use in my garden.

Salix and aspirin water are interesting possibilities. Honestly, late blight is such a serious problem, and has been for a long time in some places, that I think this would have been considered by now.

I discovered something interesting in my own garden with my garlic. Here 'garlic rust' is a problem. It's a problem over most of Europe, but only in a few places in North America. Because it's so rare in NA, and this is where many of the important agricultural universities are, not a lot of research has been done into the problem. Also garlic is more commonly grown in home gardens in NA than here in Europe, mostly because it's still sometimes considered a little exotic here, so almost all garlic that is grown here is commercial garlic grown with fungicides.

Garlic rust is rarely deadly to the plants, rather it just reduces the yields and makes the bulbs smaller. There is no real organic control of the disease, but anything you can do to slow it down even a little bit can make all the difference. It usually hits several weeks before harvest, and can cause you to have to harvest 2-3 weeks early, so if you can delay infection for 2 weeks you can end up with a pretty normal harvest.

Søren ('toad' here) had the idea of spraying diluted milk on the garlic. This is used by some organic farmers against mildew on squash and related plants. No one knows exactly why it works, but it does seem to help. Anyway, it's likely no one has ever tried this for garlic rust before, since garlic rust doesn't occur in most of the US where a lot of people have garlic in their gardens, and in Europe not many people have garlic in their gardens and commercial farmers aren't likely to be the ones out spraying their crops with diluted milk.

It seems to work! It really seems to slow the spread of the garlic rust enough and delay the infection long enough, that a normal harvest is possible. Some more experimenting is needed, but it looks promising so far.

Blight is related to rust and mildew, so it's possible milk could play a role with controlling blight.

[plantsnobin]

How about experimenting with vermicompost tea Michel? The Ohio university has done a lot of reasearch and has found the vermicompost has many disease suppressing abilities.

[canadamike]

totally agreeing Karen. Done that before, it sure helps. The reason I think aspirin might be interesting is it is so close to wshat plants already produce. Actually, growing with lots of compost/vermicompost protects plants A LOT. But it is not possible on a large scale, certainly not the way I have done it before.

We simply need to build up data on as many possible solutions as we can....and aspirin water has not been seriously discussed here.

As for silver, Patrick, I think there is a huge difference between the metal particles and ionized silver, basically electrically charged ions that will team up with bad stuff to neutralize them, and up to 13,000 more effective than PARTICLES.

Silver is also necessary to life...it is all a matter of concentration I think. One can make thousands of gallons of ionized water with one gram of silver...

[silverseeds]

even in particle form if made right, there would be way less heavy metal buildup then common fertilizers.

But yeah if you used silver ions in water, there would not be much of any actuall silver.