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Post by Alan on Feb 3, 2010 19:32:24 GMT -5
I just took all of my perrinnial seeds from stratified cold storage in the outside seed room refridgerator and placed them in the greenhouse (along with about 15 mouse traps), there are already seeds begining to crack open and germinate, mostly they are apple and pears but also some plums and peaches have cracked, updates coming soon!
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Post by johno on Feb 3, 2010 20:58:48 GMT -5
Some time ago I opened my peach pits and stratified the seeds. One of the wild peaches I sent you didn't pan out for me (the most numerous one). All the seeds inside were dried up little skins... The rest looked good!
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Post by johno on Apr 7, 2011 19:50:29 GMT -5
Last year I started peaches from pits. Today I planted 7 of them. When they get another year's growth, I might buy some 'regular' peach trees to plant between them. I plan to grow a peach hedge.  |
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Post by MikeH on Dec 25, 2011 14:11:33 GMT -5
starting fruiting trees from seed, but this can also include of course just starting rootstock from seed. Why not graft/stool to insure that you get an exact copy rather than an F2? Apples don't come true: 177 unique fruit from a single cross.  Why not stool your rootstock?  Stooling has a far higher chance of success and gives you a never ending supply of rootstock. We started growing our own apple rootstock this year and had good results. Regards, Mike |
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Post by castanea on Dec 25, 2011 14:42:15 GMT -5
My preference for starting many fruit and nut orchards is to plant seedlings. If you like a seedling, you keep it. If you don't, you can graft it.
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Post by MikeH on Dec 26, 2011 0:45:17 GMT -5
My preference for starting many fruit and nut orchards is to plant seedlings. If you like a seedling, you keep it. If you don't, you can graft it. Yep unless you are want a specific cultivar in which case you have to graft although you could trench layer to get more of the same. Apples on their own roots can take up to 10 years to fruit where the same apple on a dwarf or semi-dwarf rootstock will fruit in 3-5 years. Regards, Mike |
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Post by templeton on Dec 28, 2011 23:48:02 GMT -5
I've grown some hazels from seed collected from a friend's plantings. He has three varieties interplanted, one sets lots of nuts, one sets a few, and the third doesn't set any. I stratified the nuts in the bottom of the refrigerator for some months - I can't really remember, but i think i picked in early Feb (southern hemisphere), and probably sowed into pots in early spring. Grew them out for a year, planted them out last year, and this spring they are now about 4 feet high. No flowers yet. I'm growing a hazel hedge between my house and the neighbour's place. They seem to have a fair bit of variety in their foliage. This year I noticed a seedling apricot growing under my espalier apricots. I plan to dig it up in autumn. Since I've been harvesting apricots for the last few weeks, I've got a whole pile startifying in the beer fridge. I'm thinking of doing a johnny appleseed thing, and planting them into waste ground round town. We've got lots of little wild areas all over town, a legacy of our old mining heritage, dotted with cherry plums, apples, pears, the odd peach, and a huge range of olives. There is one almond, growing high on a dry ridge, that i collected a pile of nuts from one day, only to find them inedibly bitter  T |
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Post by blueadzuki on Dec 29, 2011 17:29:25 GMT -5
. There is one almond, growing high on a dry ridge, that i collected a pile of nuts from one day, only to find them inedibly bitter T Always be careful tasting unfamiliar almonds, Remember with them there is a fine line between "bitter" and "deadly". Bitter almonds tend to be a bit hardier than sweet almonds, so regrettably if there tree is a wild one, the odds are not good on your side. |
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Post by raymondo on Dec 29, 2011 21:59:09 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the info on stooling Mike. I have a dwarf apple and have been wondering how to propagate the rootstock efficiently. Stooling seems like a an easy way to get a number of plants. I'm happy to sacrifice the scion stock. Same with a peach I have (Pixzee Peach) but it looks to me as if the peach is actually twice grafted - rootstock, an intermediate graft and finally the scion. Would this actually be the case? It's hard to tell.
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Post by MikeH on Dec 30, 2011 4:18:35 GMT -5
Hi Ray, Trench layering works as well. From by minimal experience, it seems less involved than stooling. To me having rootstock for apples, pears, apricots, peaches (marginal in my area) and plums makes a huge amount of sense. If I come across a tree whose fruit I really like, I can get free copies if I have the rootstock for grafting. And free isn't really the issue. Often the tree has been growing in someone's garden for years, even decades and they don't know what it is but they know that the fruit tastes great or stores well or the tree is very hardy, etc. I'd love to know the name but I'll settle for some scion wood. I also have mulberries and hazelnuts that I would like to try stooling. Since these are trees that can be coppiced, I wonder if they can also be stooled. I'm not sure how stooling an already grafted tree would work. I guess you'd have to cut below the graft or maybe a cut with a bit of the scion left would force growth from below and above the graft. Re: your peach, I just stumbled across a technique called interstem grafting so yes, your peach could be grafted twice. From the name, I'm guessing it's a dwarf or semi-dwarf which would make sense that it's been grafted twice in order to reduce its size but still keep a vigorous root. I wonder what was used. Regards, Mike |
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Post by Walk on Dec 30, 2011 14:35:23 GMT -5
Stooling works with hazelnuts. It's an easy way to get clonal copies of plants that are doing well. We've done many plants this way.
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Post by cortona on Dec 31, 2011 12:11:08 GMT -5
yep i'm looking for dwarf semydwarf apple seeds, i'm looking for a spray free apple but at today nothing to harvest....
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Post by MikeH on Dec 31, 2011 14:55:44 GMT -5
Stooling works with hazelnuts. It's an easy way to get clonal copies of plants that are doing well. We've done many plants this way. Many hazels or many other plants? If many other plants, with what have you been successful? Failures would be helpful too. Regards, Mike |
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Post by khoomeizhi on Dec 31, 2011 20:42:40 GMT -5
figs stool like it's their job. anything that tends to sucker should be a good possible candidate.
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Post by raymondo on Dec 31, 2011 23:06:43 GMT -5
I've found with figs that if you plant 5 cuttings you'll get 6 plants!
Yes Mike, my peach is indeed a dwarf. I've had it for for years and it's not even waist high (I'm short too). The fruit are tasty and early. The more I look the more I think it's an interstem graft so I won't be propagating the dwarfing interstem. Too much trouble.
If I want to propagate the rootstock of my dwarf apple, should I wait until it's dormant before cutting off the scion?
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