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Post by darwinslair on Dec 28, 2009 20:55:24 GMT -5
No worries. You just confused me.
Tom
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Post by Jim on Dec 28, 2009 21:20:43 GMT -5
I obviously was confused as well.
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Post by tatermater on Dec 29, 2009 16:27:29 GMT -5
Seriously, folks, I have not been keeping myself in the loop lately. That said, I am offering mostly TPS and a few tubers, depending on what I end up with. Most of my potatoes were left until I returned from Europe and then a bad back and nearly daily rains kept me from the fields. Unfortunately some heavy freezes are going to make my salvage operation difficult.
I am asking $5 for packages of true potato seed TPS to cover some of the debt incurred with doing this work.
Shakespeare's poetry seems a bit misapplied to my ignoble work with potatoes but I suppose a bit of flattery shames me into responding to this thread of postings. I know that my family thinks that I am a piece of work, but not of the lofty kind, therefore I can suspend a wholesale belief in compliments but yet appreciate them at the same time.
I need to update my blog with photos and suggestions on how to grow potatoes from true seed.
Tom Wagner. BTW just PM me if you want seed
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Post by plantsnobin on Dec 29, 2009 19:44:30 GMT -5
Thanks for responding Tom. I know you have been busy. I really look forward to updates on your blog too. Maybe during the long winter you or Mike could put together some info on your trip. I loved the pics that Mike has posted already. Would love to hear more details.
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Post by Alan on Dec 29, 2009 21:43:36 GMT -5
Tom, glad to see you checking in buddy!  Hope all is well in your neck of the woods and get the word out there about that TPS $5.00 deal, people are PMing and e-mailing me constantly asking if you have anything available this season. People are waiting for it! Also, release VERDE CLARO! I want to grow it desperately! |
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Post by sandbar on Dec 31, 2009 0:55:27 GMT -5
I need to update my blog with photos and suggestions on how to grow potatoes from true seed. Tom, Dont' forget that my offer to help with picture editing/sizing is still good. So, let me know if you need any help with that. Just email me pics and I'll resize/edit/color balance them according to your needs. If you no longer have my home email address, PM me and I'll get it to you. See ya' Steve. |
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Post by tatermater on Dec 31, 2009 4:49:55 GMT -5
I had not made any plans to release the various strains of "Verde Claro" or Beyond Verde Claro or even some of the F-1 hybrids of those and the segregating clones of advanced breeding lines of those. Maybe if something interesting comes up during the winter I may reconsider it.
Most of my long term, short term and dream-about terms are in limbo. Especially after my workshops in Europe have not shown me what exactly to do with my work. I know I can't have my grow-outs so far away as last year as I need to focus my work closer to home. Therefore, the next few months will be mostly "Wait and See" and gradually explore research venues.
I was told that there is no one quite like me in Europe and the restrictions on variety development and registration would implode on anyone trying to be like me. I thought I may find an answer to my breeding work other than just giving seed away. Awaiting for some ideas; grants, coop funding, positions, available plots to plants locally, expanding my seed banking, teaching plant breeding, funding assistant laborers..those kind of things have no answers as yet.
I spent the largest part of 2009 preparing for the two month long workshop tour of Europe in regards to my breeding and growing of potatoes and tomatoes. I am not at all sure what preparations I will make for 2010, and at this point I am sure I will have to curtail my efforts.
I will try to find ways to make my blog more interesting and get folks to email me with suggestions on what to do with my work. Steve, I will PM you about re-sizing photos to post. Thanks for the offer of help.
Tom Wagner
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Post by PatrickW on Dec 31, 2009 5:21:57 GMT -5
Most of my long term, short term and dream-about terms are in limbo. Especially after my workshops in Europe have not shown me what exactly to do with my work. I know I can't have my grow-outs so far away as last year as I need to focus my work closer to home. Therefore, the next few months will be mostly "Wait and See" and gradually explore research venues. I was told that there is no one quite like me in Europe and the restrictions on variety development and registration would implode on anyone trying to be like me. I thought I may find an answer to my breeding work other than just giving seed away. Awaiting for some ideas; grants, coop funding, positions, available plots to plants locally, expanding my seed banking, teaching plant breeding, funding assistant laborers..those kind of things have no answers as yet. I spent the largest part of 2009 preparing for the two month long workshop tour of Europe in regards to my breeding and growing of potatoes and tomatoes. I am not at all sure what preparations I will make for 2010, and at this point I am sure I will have to curtail my efforts. Tom, For what it's worth, I've lived in Europe for 20+ years now, and still don't have answers to a lot of those questions myself. While yes, the rules would implode on anyone trying to be like you here, those rules are changing, slowly but surely. I hope you understand your trip here made a very important contribution in diminishing the viability of these rules. Without a doubt, your trip impressed a lot of people, and won't be soon forgotten. You set a lot of wheels in motion while you were here. Many of us are frustrated more sources of funding didn't develop while you were here. My advice in general would be to follow your instincts on what you think is the best thing to do, but don't expect too much to happen too quickly. Europe is all based on long term friendships and relationships, and someone coming for a short visit is at a big disadvantage. Everything just takes a lot more time here and moves more slowly. You know you're always welcome to send me an email if you ever want to chat about any of this. I'm also happy to give you a call, if that's easier. |
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Post by canadamike on Dec 31, 2009 5:51:00 GMT -5
There is nobody like you around here either my friend. But if the common part of our tour in Europe and the numerous e-mails and phone calls I got from there (the french speaking only crowd, I am sure you got communications from the rest) as taught me something, it is that there is not much to change in your recipe  A few things though: we both witnessed the extreme importance for the people of disease resistance, especially to late blight, AND THEIR SHEER JOY AT THE FACT YOU COULD MATCH DISEASE RESISTANCE WITH TASTE. We then both witnessed the great interest in true potato seeds. As I told you almost a year ago, this is a trend in the waiting and you've got the stuff to keep it going. The re-creation and revival of old heirlooms with the introduction of new genes did also resonate quite strongly, to our mutual surprise if you remember well, We were kind of preoccupied to hit a wall there, kind of being attacked by the ''conservation'' crowd, and to our out most surprise they were the first on par with the message. So, if I might, I would say that, if I was given the privilege to be in your shoes for a little while: Early potatoes and late ones with blight resistance ( AND ALWAYS TASTE OF COURSE) should be a priority in breeding, The tomato work already interests people, so keep it like that, we will have to work on the release aspect of it, there will soon be a seed company that could do that and pay you well, I am working on it and it is almost done, It might be a great idea to work on ''re-engeneering'' valuable old cultivars that have lost productivity and/or disease resistance and re-release them as ''themselves'' in a new version ''remastered'' by Tom Wagner ( or Tom Wagner's team, working under his supervision, if you want help that is). I am convinced this would be a powerful way to invigorate the knowledge of your work within the vast tomato loving crowd. I have been sidetracked for a while my friend, and need to get in touch with you soon. There is much to talk about. To all others, I will soon talk here about a project that is, in part , a consequence of my tour with Tom. Stay put, if it works it will rock... |
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Post by plantsnobin on Feb 26, 2010 12:07:00 GMT -5
Well, I got the potato seeds today that I ordered from Tom-more than I paid for, I might add. Thanks Tom. I am really looking forward to growing these. Mike, can you update us on your project? I know your life has taken a detour, but are some projects still on track?
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Post by cortona on Feb 28, 2010 13:01:23 GMT -5
Dear mr Wagner aka Tom
i'm european (italian) but being on the net and on the patch of breeding almost everithing in my little i know and apreciate your work! i try to ask you some tps to do some breeding work here, i'm new on potatoes but realy interested in this for dry condition selection!
i think that if you and your "coworker"(i have no terms for the person that help you, want to work with you, belive in your dream...ecc ecc)
want to own a seed company lots of people here and around the word are realy happy!
anyway... can i pm you for some of your material?
Best wishes
Emanuele
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Post by plantsnobin on Mar 4, 2010 20:16:40 GMT -5
Hi. I wanted to let you know that Tom has a forum where he talks about his breeding work- www.tatermater.proboards.com I think that is the right web address. Sometimes he doesn't come here to post when he is busy, so you might try to contact him through his board. If you don't get an answer from him, pm me for some potato seeds. I got some from him, and I could share a few, but I can't tell you if they would be good varieties for your growing conditions. Tom could tell you good lines to try. Oops. meant to send that as a pm to Cortona |
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Post by cortona on Mar 5, 2010 15:52:35 GMT -5
thanks board finded an very appreciate it! i try to ask tonorrow.
Emanuele
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Post by bunkie on Mar 8, 2010 13:32:29 GMT -5
i just got my tps too! readying to start them. thanks tom!
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