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Post by Alan on Feb 1, 2009 20:35:08 GMT -5
Ruby Queen F3 segregation
Astronomy Domine F4 plus some new genetics
NSS/SEARCH Flour/Flint composite corn
True platinum X Kculli Corn
Have You Got It Yet Tomatoes (all five) X OSU Purple
Have You Got It Yet Tomatoes (all five) x Peace Seeds Centiflor tomatoes
Multiple lines of Tom Wagner Potatoes to save and grow TPS from
Sunflower Mass Cross Year 3
Further Stabilization of previous work (about 100 lines of various crops)
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Post by Jim on Feb 12, 2009 18:01:03 GMT -5
You'll be a busy guy..wow.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Feb 12, 2009 21:42:12 GMT -5
Alan, What are you trying to achieve by Mass Crossing of Sunflowers to the Third Power?  Is there a masterplan behind this? To make them all one height?  Or better yet, All one colour ;D So they all have 3 heads?  But seriously, I am fighting with the concept of "mass crossing" as opposed to specifically crossing one on one.?? Would you be so kind as to try to 'splain this to a genetically challenged redhead, TY |
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Post by flowerpower on Feb 13, 2009 5:47:54 GMT -5
Alan, What are you trying to achieve by Mass Crossing of Sunflowers to the Third Power? Is there a masterplan behind this? To make them all one height? Or better yet, All one colour ;D So they all have 3 heads? But seriously, I am fighting with the concept of "mass crossing" as opposed to specifically crossing one on one.?? Would you be so kind as to try to 'splain this to a genetically challenged redhead, TY I don't think being a redhead makes you "genetically challenged" lol I'm not sure if the Sunflower Cross has any real "breeding" purpose. I did plant some out of the mix last yr. Lots of multiflowering types. I got an avg of 7-8 ft tall. One that was very pretty has smallish (2 1/2in across), very light flowers. I am going to add in some Italian White this yr.  Alan, do you remember if the initial growout contained the Teddy Bear style sunflowers? |
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Post by Alan on Feb 17, 2009 19:23:03 GMT -5
Honestly though, mostly for the amazement and wonder of just looking at them and walking through them! EDITED: Alan, I made a boo boo trying to quote you, I erased some of you message...sorry daddy, I won't do it again  |
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Post by flowerpower on Feb 21, 2009 5:56:01 GMT -5
Flowerpower, there were a few "teddy bear" type sunflowers in the orignial mix, now there are many more, in the future I will try to up the population of these types as I and Kim really enjoy them! OK, I didn't have any last season. I really don't care for the "teddy bear" style. But I'll keep my eye out for any good crosses this yr. |
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Post by johno on Feb 26, 2009 0:07:42 GMT -5
Somehow I missed that you (Alan) were mass crossing sunflowers. I got a pack of the Supreme mix sunflowers from Peace Seedlings - might be interesting to compare mixes later this summer.
Flowerpower, isn't Italian White a different species? (I think I remember that from somewhere...) That will be great in a mass cross!
I've got some seed for Lycopersicon humboldtii, which was the main parent for the centiflor types, if anyone wants to make some new ones or do a little back breeding.
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Post by alkapuler on Feb 26, 2009 0:43:55 GMT -5
-some many year long time ago, looking at the GRIN listing for sunflowers, there were just too many, and to know what to ask for was difficult, so i asked for one from each country that they listed and in the process got some sunflower seed from Turkey that amazingly turned out to be a giant, remarkable, polypetalous SF that eventually picked up the name Supermane
-at about the same time Lon Ronbough sent me some seeds he got from East Germany that were a mix of colors and patterns including ones that looked like gloriosa daisies so they became the Gloriosa Sunflower Mix
-since kinship gardening was in the wind, i began collecting and growing as many of the 50 or so Helianthus species that were available, as part of a kinship garden of the Asteraceae
-so in the late 1990's we had many different sunflowers growing in our three acre garden; the birds loved them, the market adored them, we picked them and made bouquets
-and in the intervening years we have noticed that Helianthus argophyllus, a Texas endemic, outcrossed and conferred several of its distinctive traits to the emerging grex: thin, stiff stems, silvery leaves, racemose spikes with many flowers and a longer flowering season
-a new kind of sunflower emerged: late giants-plants will grow all summer, get to 10-12 feet tall, and then in September, burst into bloom with 30-40 arms of flowers
-now the birds are especially pleased with food lasting through the winter
-and other new kinds of sunflowers are emerging, with polypetalous ones having crossed with gloriosa purple types having crossed with argophyllus outbreeds and some of the plants flower for 4 months, have branches surrounded by 4-6" flowers
and give us glimpses of new architectural possibilities for these children of the native species of North America
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Post by johno on Feb 26, 2009 2:00:07 GMT -5
Thanks for that history Alan!
I have grown lots of different sunflowers the past few years, and I'm eager to grow your mix.
What do you think the chances are of some crossing with Sunchokes? Mine have been flowering the last two years...
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Post by flowerpower on Feb 26, 2009 6:06:23 GMT -5
John, I thought I had It. White, but it is called Vanilla Ice. Very pale color though.
"and other new kinds of sunflowers are emerging, with polypetalous ones having crossed with gloriosa purple types having crossed with argophyllus outbreeds and some of the plants flower for 4 months, have branches surrounded by 4-6" flowers"
So they are a bicolor with purple? That would be so cool.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Feb 26, 2009 8:43:47 GMT -5
Alan. good luck with this project. I loved the sunflowers that grew on the farm when I just left them to their own breeding programme And, Yep, those little white Italians are decidedly different alright ;D  |
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Post by johno on Feb 26, 2009 16:32:25 GMT -5
Yep, I'm different...
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Post by alkapuler on Feb 26, 2009 21:47:37 GMT -5
-likely the Vanilla Ice and pale yellow flowered ones are Helianthus debilis, a variety of which has cucumber-like leaves and is decumbent, ie, falls down
-in our ongoing sunflower grex, the gloriosas have a mix of background color traits including pale yellow, light orange, dark orange and darker purple pigment is overlaid towards the center of the flowers, but then again by now a few of Red Sun which has dark anthocyanin flowers has crossed into it and some flowers from the cross of Red Sun with Lion's Mane and Supermane, which are doubles, generated Dragon's Fire, a mostly purple double which then crossed with some of the single petaled ones to give intermediate kinds that we call Tiger's Eye (TE)
-this intermediate TE trait one can see in the new breeding in Echinacea, Gerbera and in some of the marigolds in our China Cat Mix 2008 where the same phenomenon occurred, ie polypetalous lines like Sparkler and Double Pinwheel crossed to singles like Frances's Choice, Red Metamorph and Golden Star to give a spectrum of TE marigolds not previously seen before
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Post by flowerpower on Feb 27, 2009 7:41:57 GMT -5
Yeah, me too. lol The only volunteer I had last yr was a Velvet Queen. I've never had the birds complain about the varieties I grow. lol |
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Post by Alan on Apr 13, 2009 17:07:40 GMT -5
Haven't updated this in a bit, lot's of new projects for the year.
Astronomy Domine x Howling Mob (mob rules)
Grow out of 40 plus lines of OP and segregating sweet corns
New "Easter Everywhere" dent corn crosses
Lost more to come, will cover it in my next paper "priori proof of future heirloom hybrids"
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