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Post by ilex on Nov 14, 2012 3:25:46 GMT -5
Late blooming is relative. Almost everything in this climate is early blooming because it can be early blooming. But quite a few of the early bloomers are blooming early in response to climate (heat) signals, not in response to day length. If they were in colder areas, they would be blooming later. That is very true. Having a cold origin is not the same as being late blooming. We had a very bad experience with walnuts from cold areas. Everybody said they were very late bloomers. They were fooled by late winter heat and got frosted every year. Local walnuts knew better. Many times, best material comes from warm areas subject to late frost as they must be able to resist the tentation of waking up too early. Those from very cold areas might be absolute cold hardy, or be very fast rippening, but might or might not be late blooming (it could be that good weather is just very late). |
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Post by MikeH on May 10, 2013 0:11:29 GMT -5
Russian Almond  And maybe more plants.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 22:53:08 GMT -5
Neat. Never heard of Russian almond.
My area used to be farms but is now subdivided into suburban sprawl. I have tried to save seed from old trees, growing in inopportune places. Have no way of identifying it.
In one case, the trunk was thick and gnarled, only a few almonds grew, but they were unsually large. Will be germinating the seeds from four different trees.
I am also occasionally finding feral things in mountains and ditches and check on them to how the fruit is.
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Post by steev on May 11, 2013 1:35:34 GMT -5
That's California: growing subdivisions on some of the world's best farmland, in some of the world's best climate. Hey, World! Hungry? Eat a tract-house.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 12:40:54 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the Dervaes family, of Pasadena, had enough produce to sell, using vertical gardening and cistern water on 1/6th of an acre, but the cities have been subdividing so small, that there's just about enough room to walk around between the houses, now.
With architectural elements made of stucco-on-styrofoam and concerns about vandalism, these structures will likely return to nature within 10 yeas of being abandoned.
In some of the old houses (the ones which still have yards) you can see the old, concrete irrigation risers, heavy horse troughs which were incontinent to move, concrete and adobe shacks, where the help slept. Very old fruit trees show up in allies, where they wouldn't normally belong. No real effort was made to remove anything. Rows of them are in open fields, which will not realistically be sold now.
It is an interesting source of plant material, which suddenly becomes desirable again, when it's made presentable.
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Post by steev on May 13, 2013 1:11:54 GMT -5
Not exactly an agricultural observation; but, yes, modern home construction is largely geared to the life of the expected mortgage. There's a lot of stuff out there that will be rental property ten years after it's built, and crap in thirty years, at which time it will be good to tear it down, to return it to agricultural use, but it will be too "valuable", having become residential property, in extended city limits.
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Post by raymondo on May 13, 2013 1:20:22 GMT -5
Mike, what is a Russian almond? Is it just an almond from Russia?
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Post by MikeH on May 13, 2013 3:06:39 GMT -5
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Post by ferdzy on May 13, 2013 7:50:31 GMT -5
Wow, Mike! Never heard of those before. Something else to add to the "I want" list. Ooops.
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Post by MikeH on May 14, 2013 8:14:13 GMT -5
Wow, Mike! Never heard of those before. Something else to add to the "I want" list. Ooops. Well, I'm pretty sure that you probably have a woody perennial that could be swapped. |
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Post by blueadzuki on May 14, 2013 11:58:25 GMT -5
Neat. Never heard of Russian almond. My area used to be farms but is now subdivided into suburban sprawl. I have tried to save seed from old trees, growing in inopportune places. Have no way of identifying it. In one case, the trunk was thick and gnarled, only a few almonds grew, but they were unsually large. Will be germinating the seeds from four different trees. I am also occasionally finding feral things in mountains and ditches and check on them to how the fruit is. A fine plan, though I should remind you to approach eating any almonds of unfailiar ancestry with deliberation and caution. Calfornia also has/had extensive plantings of bitter almonds, and I tend to approach the "bitter almonds are shorter and fatter than sweet almonds" as more of a gudeline than a hard and fast law (especially becuse a found tree could always be a seed grown feral cross, whose nut shape and cyanide level could both be somewhere in between.) |
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Post by ferdzy on May 14, 2013 12:16:12 GMT -5
Mike; Oh dear. I probably do. The question is, where does it get squozen in?
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Post by mountaindweller on May 16, 2013 2:43:05 GMT -5
I think bitter almonds can be told apart because of their taste. Is the Russian almond in Australia?
I want almonds too but don't know which variety. For me late flowering is important because we get late frosts (we had snow last October, but that is unusual!). Yalca fruit trees offers the following varieties and they are the only source of almonds I know of (I left the description you might be interested):
Californian Papershell $29
Medium to large sized flattish nuts, papershell, most popular variety, orginiated in California in 1880's, produces consistently good yields of medium sized kernels, relatively easy to train and prune, pollinate with Price, Ne Plus Ultra, Carmel, Self Poll
Ne Plus Ultra $29
French almond, sporting large sized nuts, light chocolate coloured, papershell, spreading habit, heavy cropping, popular variety, particularly for its excellence as a pollinator, produces consistently good yields, pollinates with Californian Papershell, Chellaston and Self Pollinating Almond
Dwarf Self Pollinating Almond $29
Semi dwarfing tree, growing to around 2.5 - 3 metres instead of the usual 4.5 metre size, good flavour, soft shell and as the name suggests, sets a modest crop without pollination, if allowed to pollinate with any of the other varieties it sets a significantly heavier crop
Chellaston $29
Soft shell almond with dark skin, heavy bearer, ripens mid season, pollinates with Brandes Jordan and Johnson's Prolific
Brandes Jordan $29
An almond with South Australian origins, softshell with good flavour, pollinates with Chellaston
Johnson's Prolific $29
Soft shell almond, with very large kernels, pollinates Chellaston
Carmel $29
More recent variety, very good yields of high quality nuts, discovered in a Californian orchard, as a seedling from Non-Pareil / Mission, flowers just after Cal Papershell, and harvests just before Mission, tree is of medium size and yields large, elongated kernels, an excellent pollinating partner for Californian Papershell and Price
Price $29
Also known as Price Cluster, it was a chance seedling discovered in Californian orchard. Price is another seedling of Non -Pareil / Mission. It blooms within a day of Cal Papershell, making it a popular pollinating partner, and the crop matures shortly after Cal Papershell. Tree is of a more upright stature than Cal Papershell
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