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Post by atash on Feb 6, 2012 11:36:03 GMT -5
Phaseolus polystachios plants can be ordered on the Food Forest Farm web site. We appreciate your business! www.permaculturenursery.comThanks; I already did. You have my order for two of them. Assuming no fiascos then Mike and Ottowagardener will get their seeds. We're counting on you, Bud.  |
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Post by blueadzuki on Feb 6, 2012 12:02:55 GMT -5
Phaseolus polystachios plants can be ordered on the Food Forest Farm web site. We appreciate your business! www.permaculturenursery.comThanks; I already did. You have my order for two of them. Assuming no fiascos then Mike and Ottowagardener will get their seeds. We're counting on you, Bud. I also put in an order for 2 (in fact, I strongly suspect the reason for the message was that, when I had to ask a question about shipping, they required as part of the question form that you tell them where you found out about them.) Actually, anyone who does one one shoud probably not delay much longer; it occurs to me that, if the information we got earlier that they had a grand total of 25 plants available is accurate, then, depending on how many of us order from them (and how many thicket bean plants we each order), we could easily end up decimating their whole supply. I suppose I really should have also picked up a hog peanut plant or two as well, but i have this mental block against buying seed I know I should be able to collect wild for free. BTW once slight correction to what they have listed there vis a vis information. The hog peanut description says that both types of seed (above and below ground) are edible. I'm not 100% sure, but I seem to recall being told that only the cleostomagus (underground) seed is edible, I think the above ground stuff has poisionous alkaloids (it's certinaly much harder seed, if you did not know better, you'd never be able to tell top seed and bottom seed are from the same plant!) most people who have grown the stuff tend to eat the bottoms and keep the tops for re-planting Actually if you want max diversity you'd probably do that anyway, the bottom seed is pretty much always 100% self (the flowers are basically underground before they are formed) while the top can cross out. |
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Post by ottawagardener on Feb 6, 2012 12:45:59 GMT -5
atash: Thank you thank you!
blueadzuki: Thanks for the information and yes, I have the same mental block.
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Post by khoomeizhi on Feb 6, 2012 14:27:19 GMT -5
i went to the site with the intention of ordering some, because of this thread, but i had only so much in the way of funds to go around and got my imagination waylaid by skirret and caucasian spinach (Hablitzia tamnoides)...i'd love to get in the seed rota for this down the pike.
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Post by atash on Feb 6, 2012 17:09:17 GMT -5
Hablitzia is an intriguing crop. You can thank Stephen Barstow for noticing it--it was languishing in obscurity. I think its primary claim to fame is providing a spinach-substitute early in the year, though some say it is better than the real thing. I dunno, because I haven't eaten any yet, because I'm trying to get the darn thing blooming. Hates our native soils, but my specimens are in pots and get fed some lime from time to time. I have to say, it looks tempting to eat. Once mine are blooming, then there will be a commercial source for Hablitzia seed. It's easy to raise from seed. Gotta transplant last year's seedlings to bigger pots to grow it out. It has substantial roots and gets pot-bound quickly. Some of my plants should be shooting imminently if they haven't already. Skirret is interesting but might be slightly trickier to grow. It is semi-aquatic. You sometimes see it planted around ponds here, for some strange reason (as an "ornamental"--but it is not particularly attractive). You need to keep it moist and well-fed, to get big fat roots. Reputedly works better as a perennial than as it is traditionally grown as an annual, on the theory that perennial roots get succulent enough not to be fibrous. Otherwise, you have to cut out the cores, which gets tedious, which was one of its downfalls. I will probably have enough seed of it to put on the market next year. Contrary to rumor, skirret is skirret; there are no named varieties that I am aware of. That said, coreless skirret might be a hot item some day. >>.i'd love to get in the seed rota for this down the pike. << Subscribe to our newsletter: www.newworldcrops.comThe subscription form is on one of the right-hand sidebars. Don't worry; it's not spammy, we don't sell it, and you can remove yourself any time. I don't do anything with it other than use it to send articles around, and they're not that frequent. I have had exactly 1 person ask to remove himself, which is amazing as the email newsletter biz goes. |
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Post by MikeH on Feb 7, 2012 6:35:54 GMT -5
atash: ditto Telsing on the thank you.
Re: Hablitzia being easy to raise from seed, my first attempt started well, then wilted and that was that. Fortunately, I acquired some seed from Stephen which I have not yet attempted to start because we had passed the cool spring period. It sits quietly in my refrigerator next to the margarine awaiting its time.
Re: skirret, I've not had luck with seeds but they were a gift so their history could have been sketchy. I've got roots on order so germination will not be an immediate problem. Thanks for the heads up on growing conditions. I knew that it liked it moist but wasn't aware of semi-aquatic. I'll check with my root source and see how he is growing them. With some luck, Telsing will get her skirret from a root division this fall.
Regards,
Mike
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Post by khoomeizhi on Feb 7, 2012 6:43:08 GMT -5
i think i already have subscribed to the newsletter, atash.
good info, thanks. i'd heard the same thing about skirret seed, which is why i'm going to start with a plant from pn.
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Post by ottawagardener on Feb 7, 2012 10:30:13 GMT -5
I have a good spot in a clayish area that I am going to install a pond in that I can grow the skirret around. Hopefully it'll be all dug out by this fall Mike  |
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Post by atash on Feb 7, 2012 11:57:54 GMT -5
Skirret is naturally a stream-side plant. You can see a number of its cousins have similar habitats. You encourage Skirret to have fatter roots by making sure that its roots are kept moist. They grow on the margins, not IN the water, so don't get carried away and try to grow it in a swamp or bog: the extremely acidic, anaerobic conditions might kill it.
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Post by ottawagardener on Feb 7, 2012 15:47:22 GMT -5
Margins it is no worries. |
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Post by turtleheart on Feb 8, 2012 8:35:59 GMT -5
i have a species of Lathyrus that i cant identify but i love to eat it.
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Post by MikeH on Feb 8, 2012 9:36:42 GMT -5
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Post by blueadzuki on May 24, 2012 18:31:35 GMT -5
Just a note my two plants arrived in todays post; they'll go into the garden Saturday
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Post by jim on May 25, 2012 20:53:17 GMT -5
Blue...do you know the provenance of the material that arrived?
I acquired 2 accessions...one from FLorida and one from Texas....Voss reports it all the way up here in Michigan, but I can't find a source for northern types....
anyway....hope they do well for you...I have a plant in the greenhouse that I sowed last September...grew a root before it did any vine growth...no flowers yet.
Jim
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Post by blueadzuki on May 25, 2012 21:04:44 GMT -5
Blue...do you know the provenance of the material that arrived? I acquired 2 accessions...one from FLorida and one from Texas....Voss reports it all the way up here in Michigan, but I can't find a source for northern types.... anyway....hope they do well for you...I have a plant in the greenhouse that I sowed last September...grew a root before it did any vine growth...no flowers yet. Jim Dunno, I suppose that it something you could ask the guy who runs Food Forest Farm |
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