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Post by bunkie on Nov 11, 2010 10:58:45 GMT -5
me! me! me! ;D
that would be cool jo!
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Post by mnjrutherford on Nov 11, 2010 12:19:26 GMT -5
LOL You are a gardener after my own heart Miss Bunkie! ;D I'm familiar with the area and this is the time of year for such an adventure. It's about 6 hours away but if we could attain something special, it would be worth the adventure!
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Post by paquebot on Nov 11, 2010 13:32:38 GMT -5
Other folks have taken a successful tree fruit variety, raised a seedling that was somewhat similar, then patented and marketed the hell out of the seedling. They didn't invent anything but a marketing campaign. Indeed, such campaigns started about 100 years ago when the USPS began a nationwide parcel post system in 1913. Mail order seed companies were quick to take advantage of it and offer a much wider selection of fruits than could ever be obtained simply by hand-to-hand dealings. It allowed anyone to plant an orchard of select varieties rather than relying upon whatever came up from seeds. As a result, Haralson, released in 1922, quickly became popular throughout the northern states and Canada. Martin
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Post by remy on Nov 12, 2010 20:57:12 GMT -5
The naturally occurring thing has always been a deciding factor for denial but never explicitly specified. I was involved in one of the last when Laurel of Heirloom Tomato Plants attempted to obtain a PVP for Goose Creek. The original history given made it sound almost like one of the first tomato varieties ever grown in the US and possibly before Thomas Jefferson. (Supposedly came from Africa in a slave ship long before any recorded history of tomatoes having been grown in West Africa.) After growing it, I decided to ruffle her feathers a bit on Tomato Mania by stating that I was going to include it in my SSE Yearbook listings the following year. I was threatened with financial ruin but nothing happened since I knew the rules and that she could never patent it. SSE ran it and I was sole seed supplier for a couple of years until several other members also listed it. I have no quarrel with the system which denied the PVP for Goose Creek or any other similar attempts. Despite claims to the contrary, they ain't going to happen. Martin It happened with Peppadew (Juanita) peppers. I can no longer find the copy of the patent online, but I did read it. The pepper was a naturally occurring seedling that differed from the others in the field it was grown in. Then they claim to have grown it out for a few years. It also happened with the yellow beans that I forget the name of. The beans were grown in Mexico for ages and some guy patented them claiming he segregated out a special color yellow from them(They looked the same to me.) That patent got repealed though because enough people complained. Remy
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Post by paquebot on Nov 12, 2010 21:26:25 GMT -5
As I recall, Peppadew was a South African patented process rather than a pepper variety. The pepper plant used probably originated in Zimbabwe.
On another thread, you'll find some of my bean segregations or mutants. Brown Turtle, Pink Turtle, Spotted Turtle, Black Tar Heel, Black Caseknife, and other extremes. It's the same stuff that Burbank was doing 100 years ago except that I'm doing it for fun.
Martin
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Post by castanea on Nov 13, 2010 19:59:31 GMT -5
As I recall, Peppadew was a South African patented process rather than a pepper variety. The pepper plant used probably originated in Zimbabwe. On another thread, you'll find some of my bean segregations or mutants. Brown Turtle, Pink Turtle, Spotted Turtle, Black Tar Heel, Black Caseknife, and other extremes. It's the same stuff that Burbank was doing 100 years ago except that I'm doing it for fun. Martin The guy has some type of plant propagation right registered under some international convention, plus a patent on the process he uses. What is most important is that he has a massive marketing scheme and a tasty pickling process. There are a few people in South Africa who claim to have grown the pepper. They say it is just another mildly hot pepper, nothing special at all.
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Post by grunt on Nov 13, 2010 22:35:59 GMT -5
I have grown them and sent seeds around to a few of the forum members. There is nothing special about the peppers. It's all about the recipe they use to pickle them with, and a very good marketing ploy.
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Post by remy on Nov 14, 2010 21:55:07 GMT -5
Martin, There is a patent on the pepper not just the process. I read the document. The patent is actually for the pepper named Juanita from which peppadews are made.
And Enola is the name of the bean that was patented, but then the patent was revoked. Remy
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