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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Aug 21, 2012 17:10:14 GMT -5
I couldn't wait any more... I opened one of the allegedly tetraploid watermelons and ate it today. It was still a bit immature. (In the diploid seeds mature to a brown color. The seeds today were ivory colored. I saved the seeds anyway, and will run a germination test later on.) Brix was 7.5, so an acceptable watermelon, about what could be expected in my garden for the diploid version of Charleston Gray. I expect frost in 2-4 weeks so many melons are likely to mature. It sure was weird... It had the same flavor and texture of the only watermelon that my family has grown for as long as I can remember, but the seeds were all wrong!!! They seemed about 2X as thick as usual, same length and breadth though. Wee Ha!!! Just as expected for a multi-polid! No amount of environmental conditions would account for the seeds being so out of whack. And while I was in the garden, I attempted some more crosses: Tetraploid X diploid. Tetraploid X Bryonia alba. Diploid X Bryonia alba. (I'm following the industry standard of listing the female first followed by the male.) As last time, the female flowers had already opened, so I attempted the pollination anyway, and wrapped a ribbon around the flower to prevent any more visits by flying pollinators.
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Post by raymondo on Aug 21, 2012 17:30:54 GMT -5
How cool is that! Your own family tetraploid!
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Post by terracotta on Aug 28, 2012 13:14:34 GMT -5
The rind should also be thicker.
When doing inter-species crosses it is wise to look at the two species pollen first. If radically different then look for something more related. If they differ only in size or color it may be possible. The technique of directly injecting pollen into the bottom of the pistil has shown some success in research trials.
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Post by terracotta on Aug 28, 2012 13:47:52 GMT -5
dark red pulp is another indicator
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Aug 28, 2012 22:15:34 GMT -5
dark red pulp is another indicator My growing season is too short/cold for me to expect dark red pulp, even in a tetraploid.
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Post by terracotta on Aug 29, 2012 15:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Sept 3, 2012 14:07:07 GMT -5
On Friday I harvested the second allegedly tetraploid watermelon. I have already fermented the seeds and they are currently drying in the seed-room. I'm keeping the seeds from each melon separate. During the winter, I'll measure them for thickness for comparison to the controls.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Sept 22, 2012 18:43:58 GMT -5
And while I was in the garden, I attempted some more crosses: Tetraploid X diploid. Tetraploid X Bryonia alba. Diploid X Bryonia alba. None of these attempted crosses produced a fruit.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Sept 22, 2012 19:17:18 GMT -5
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Oct 18, 2012 19:41:35 GMT -5
Curious to know if you have any new watermelon photos. I'm more curious to see the various diploid ones to see how much variety you got this year in terms of rind shape/color.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Oct 20, 2012 1:18:51 GMT -5
Curious to know if you have any new watermelon photos. I'm more curious to see the various diploid ones to see how much variety you got this year in terms of rind shape/color. I took dozens of photos after the hard killing frost. All of immature fruits in poor lighting... They got dumped into a common fermentation vat. The seeds are drying now. Eventually I'll make a post summarizing them. I have dozens of watermelon fruits still to open that are of earlier maturing melons including the keen101 melons, and a golden midget (?), and a dianne's landrace melon, and presumably tetraploid melons. I aughta just start eating melons!!! And butternuts!!!, And Maximas!!! Oh my gosh, that's a lot of eating. Gotta get the fall tilling, planting, and projects done first. When the snow flies perhaps I'll get around to eating more.
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Post by terracotta on Nov 14, 2012 15:17:31 GMT -5
"I took dozens of photos after the hard killing frost. All of immature fruits in poor lighting... They got dumped into a common fermentation vat. The seeds are drying now."
pretty much what I do otherwise a I would not have a second generation watermelon.
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Post by DarJones on Nov 18, 2012 1:01:13 GMT -5
lol, I have this picture of Joseph turning into a huge squash from all that eating.
DarJones
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Nov 18, 2012 1:52:21 GMT -5
lol, I have this picture of Joseph turning into a huge squash from all that eating. Oh my gosh!!! Good thing beta-carotene is not poisonous. Eating so much squash sure makes me look like I've been out in the sun and got a great tan. I cooked two squash today: A yellow pepo Spaghetti squash and a dark orange moschata butternut. The butternut has been eaten down to the skin. The pepo will be tossed on the compost heap tomorrow morning minus two small spoonfuls: One for me and one for my woman. Hope I stop writing soon: creeps me out to remember the taste of that pepo. Shudder. There is still an acorn squash to cook. I was raised extremely conservatively... Seems wrong to throw out a perfectly good squash just because I have cut it open to get at the seeds. And as a plant breeder, I feel like it is my duty to taste every squash before saving seeds from it. I guess in theory, I could taste a small portion, but the two memes are working together to turn me into a huge squash from all the eating.
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Post by DarJones on Nov 18, 2012 3:29:14 GMT -5
Get seed of Gill's Golden Pippin and Scarchuk's Supreme. Between the two of them, you will decide you like pepo types again. Don't hold your hopes out for the acorn, it won't deliver.
DarJones
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