Learning new tricks to fight diseases

[canadamike]

It's been quite a while since I was around here. I still miss the place but the work takes me away both from home and from the net.

But there are a few things I would like to share here.

I work for a small company that was funded by a very bright guy who knew about plants and animals, let's call it natural processes, but had no diplomas. But he was promoting bacterias as a bio-remediation mean for polluted waters before anybody would think of it, decadesd ago. Decades ago, he was also recommanding to acidify milk, through the use of yogurt or other means to help them gain weight.

He was called a lunatic. It happens everywhere now. But there is more:

I have SEEN fruit trees that where DYING OF CANKER that a simple trick saved, met farmers with their late blight plagued fields totally saved by the same trick.. I have provided a greenhouse tomato grower stucked with plants dying of canker ( clavibacter michiganensis) with some of the stuff that cured the others, the greenhouses are doing fine and other big commercial greenhouses are asking for that simple stuff.

What is that stuff that kills bacterial diseases and fungus caused diseases?

The same stuff that doctors use to kill EACH AND EVERY BACTERIA when they operate you and that the make suroundings of your surgical cuts all brownish. And God knows hospitals are a cesspool of germs.

It is iodine. In the field, we use it at 400 ppms. In grenhouses, because of the microclimate, at 75 ppms. To disinfect a greenhouse between crops, 200 ppms. You make as many passes as you have too, it is not systemic, it kills whatever bacteria or fungus it touches. After 45 seconds in the ground, it reacts with the soil and becomes chelated and a micro-nutrient. But if you drench soil with it you will kill gazillions of bacterias and funguses.

About 10 years ago, potatoes where under attack in Quebec. The old folk filled the truck with iodine and saved the fields of EVERY farmer he sold iodine to. The government stepped in and sent a fax to all potato farmers in Quebec saying iodine was approved as a disinfectant, not a fungicide. People stopped buying it. But what is a disinfectant if not something killing bacterias and funguses?

The farmers having used it got their crops, not the others. Later, the government guy who sent the fax showed remorse an said he was sorry and should have been told.

Nevertheless, he never pursuit the subject. The same thing happened during the big porcine flue crisis. Iodine saved loads of herds. All that were treated. Nobody studied the topic further.

Not surprizingly, iodine is a natural element that cannot be trademarked. And it is much more expensive to produce than fungicides, without proprietary rights. THE USUAL 1/10 RATIO OF MANUFACTURING COST/ SALES PRICE is unachievable. Great profits, yes, but not huge.

I have met many farmers that have had success with it , and it is used at a dose that is even drinkable by us humans, and even healthy...

Coming back soon, got to go....

[mnjrutherford]

Where does iodine come from? I know we can consume it using salt. How can we make it?

[steev]

I think it's largely gotten from seaweed. I've no idea what the concentration is in the algae, but I wonder to what extent seaweed or a tea of it would serve for this purpose, while at the same time providing all its other benefits.

[mnjrutherford]

We don't get a lot of seaweed in these parts. Although, as I write this, it occurs to me that I might be able to source some... hmmmm....

[wildseed57]

Here in Missouri Iodine is used in the dairy business to sanitize the utters and bag on cows prier to milking where a diluted mix of Iodine and warm water is wiped on and then the bag and utters are wiped dry. You can buy it buy the liter or quart fairly cheap. As side effect when the milk barn is is washed down the waste iodine is used to kill harmful bacteria in the barn by throwing the water and iodine mix on the floor and then hosing the floor off with water. Also if the heifers or steers have to be de-horn or their hooves gets a cut or sore they are treated with it. So I guess it can be used the same way to treat fungus and various bacterial problems, I've noticed that weeds that grow down hill from the barns are quite rampant, so the iodine might act as a growth stimulator to some degree or it might be killing bacteria that normally would kill the weed seeds in the manure, water, and iodine that is washed out of the barn.
George W.

[canadamike]

Iodine is a mineral, a natural element. You can get it everywhere, like in a pharmacy. We get it pure, in a crystal form, and then dilute it in phosphoric acid, which makes it 100% available, which is not the case when diluted in alcool. Do not ask me why, the chemist says it, and I» believe him, especially when I see the thickness of our product.

We made calculations ( do noit forget we sell to farmers, in large quantities, I mean larger than for small gardens) and if somebody would take a gallon of what we sell and dilute it to the level of what you buy in the store, we would make 10,000$. It goes for 239$. It looks almost like syrup, being almost as thick. «one thing to know, ''titratable iodine'' does not mean ''biologicly active'' iodine. As an exemple, there is ''titratable'' iodine in almost everything alive, locked in complex molecules, lets say like in grass, or maple leaves. I challenge anybody to try to cure a bacterial disease rubbing some grass on a sick plant ;D. Titratable means that if a certain chemical reaction is used ( like in dissolving ''whatever'' in some acid, I do not remember which) It was locked in a complex coumpund, not acting as a pure germicide. You will find some iodine, but not in a working form for you, simply as a trace element.

I do noit know if you can find iodine like the one we make in the USA. One thing sure, the big companies hate it. If ever somebody wants some. I will do my best. I hope it can go through the borders, I think it can.

Please do not read this offer as some kind of mercantile opportunity on my part, it would mean much trouble for very few money, the kind of trouble you only go through for friends, but if it helps , I'll do it myself,

[Joseph Lofthouse]

Jun 9, 2011 22:04:21 GMT -5 canadamike said:

I do noit know if you can find iodine like the one we make in the USA. One thing sure, the big companies hate it.

Iodine is very useful for making Meth and explosives. Too much trouble in the usa. We have to use chlorine since The Corporation here has established Chlorine factories.

[wildseed57]

Right now Joplin Missouri is still recovering from the Tornado which will take years to do so But the injured victims are now being hit by a very strong and aggressive fungus that invades the lungs and wounds of not just the storm victims, but the clean up crews, two of which I know so I called them and told them to be very careful and use a iodine wash to cleanse any cuts, but how would you use iodine to combat lung and internal infections if possible at all? I would be afraid to drink any except maybe for a very diluted amount. Hydrogen Peroxide is slowly being used as a bacterial wash to fight infections and kill fungus and bacteria and I spray it a lot on plants to do the same job and help control insects it does a pretty good job and breaks down into harmless compounds. As for iodine being used to make explosives and illicit drugs, Chlorine, hydrogen peroxide, various Nitrogen based fertilizers, pesticides and even Mercury can be used to make explosives and god knows what else, so I don't fear using it, even with hydrogen peroxide both can be very dangerous in the wrong hands. I don't worry about people stealing such things as concentrated iodine or even commercial Hydrogen peroxide at 35% as I always keep it locked up, but if someone wanted it badly enough they can always find ways to get it. If you use it for the right reasons you don't have to worry about the law stepping in.

[robertb]

You can make detonators with iodine, but you can also make them out of aspirin. It's pointless trying to ban something because it can be used to make explosives; there's always something else which can be used.

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

Elemental Iodine is supposed to be very toxic. It's interesting that it can be used as an antiseptic. If you can figure out how to use it safely, then i say props to you. As for me, i don't know enough about it be able to even attempt to use it. Plus there are lots of other things that can be used instead, so for me i will stick to using those.

[mnjrutherford]

My mother's attempts at sourdough bread were usable as bricks. Nothing I'm interested in imitating.

So, since I'm not about to make a bomb, how do I use the iodine? Using 3% HP, what would be the dilution to use on plants to kill fungus? Would it help to use it on my tomatoes? Would it do anything against the bugs? Should in be sprayed in the morning or in the evening?

[steev]

Don't lose your mother's sourdough recipe; we may need it, comes the revolution, so few streets have cobblestones these days.

[mnjrutherford]

LOL umm... the woman is a long gone bucket kicker. Her recipes buried with her and that is a good thing. I know how to duplicate the gastronomic cats-ass-trophy though! ;o)

[seedywen]

Michael, your post about iodine is intriguing. Hope you return and give out more information.
As a child, remember an iodine solution being used on cuts etc. and even as an Industrial nurse early in my career, using the same. Then somewhere in the 1980's, we got instructed professionally not to use either the iodine or mercury solutions as preventives to wound infections because such compounds were now deemed as toxic not only to harmful bacteria but also healthy cells.

However in cases of 'life over limb' as described by you, re extreme infections of persons/crops, perhaps there needs to be more 'thinking outside the box'.

[canadamike]

I know a guy who drings 5-6 drops of them everyday or almost and he looks mighty fine to me, he even put some in his bath water. The guy takes so much of it that when he swets he stains his white shirts yellow.

Iodine is toxic in hix pure form I am pretty sure, but so are most pure elements, really.... there are so may ways iodine is diluted, all I know is PARTS PER MILLION. PPMs are like percentages, really, but since there is too many zeros before the numbers we call the shots in ppms.

All in all, 1% available iodine in ppm is: 1,000,000 x 1 /100= 10,000 ppms

Since you want 400ppms in a crop then: 10,000/400= 25, so you would have to dilute your solution into 24 other units of the equivalent weight or volume to make a 400ppms ( 24 water plus 1 iodine=25)

The math goes on like this whatever the concentration is. It is not poisonous to drink at that level.

The trick is to know how much of the iodine is available chemically. If you have 2% titrable iodine but 0.25 available iodine, make your calculations based on 0,25.

There is titrable ( meaning that can be EXTRACTED by a chemical reaction) in most plants, nobody would rub bananas on a tree to cure it with iodine. Titrable iodine can be chemically locked within large molecules, making it inefficient. A micronutrient, not a germicide.

As for the explosive making trick, in theory, I could harvest and compress all the gazes I make after eating beans or while I am in bed, have a whole village who does the same, and once we hit the magic number light it up and it is Ground Zero again