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Post by Alan on Jun 20, 2011 23:28:28 GMT -5
Looking for lots of winter and spring grains. Totally worth their weight in 3 packages of whatever ends up being on the face of the earth seed list this year (per variety sent).
Wheats, Barleys, Triticale, Grain Sorgum, and pretty much anything else.
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Post by 12540dumont on Jun 21, 2011 14:09:09 GMT -5
Alan, I'm running an upland rice trial this year. Blue Bonnet Duborskian Wase Shinshu Ao Mari Wase Akage Chokei Wase and a few others.
If they do well, I'll send you some seed at the end of the season. I'm working on a seed increase as I only received 40 seeds of each.
Holly
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Post by atash on Jun 21, 2011 17:11:50 GMT -5
Alan, I'll save you some Sorghum, subject to harvest (bad year for it ). I have multiple varieties but I will need to sort them out. The most valuable one for you would probably be the bird-resistant white sorghum (DON'T FEED IT TO CHICKENS or any other livestock raw). It's intended as human food and is safe to eat once it is cooked. Most of the rest will need additional selection and breeding. Hoping to get a specific someone on-board who can do that (and has in the past...). Tom could but he's swamped with tomatoes and potatoes, not to mention he's growing out huge numbers of other things. We've got lots of varieties but small quantities of hardy grains but they will need some sorting out. We could probably send you something if you're not too picky. Hard or soft? White or red? We're trying to collect, increase, and sort through xTriticales. I would like to promote it as something easier to grow than wheat that you can use some of the same ways. Potentially even make bread out of it if the rye chromosomes have been altered (not considered GMO. I dunno how they did it...). Actually, you can also make a soft, crumbly bread out of ordinary xTriticale if you know how (and I do...). The same guy who does Sorghums does xTriticales so maybe we can get some help. Speaking of Rye I would guess that perennial rye would be hardy for you (not sure about perennial wheat and I don't want to recommend a disaster...). I should send you some of the first harvest. I have exactly 4 plants that are known perennial but I will have more in the future, plus I have a bunch that will need to be selected for perennialness. These will not bear as heavily as annual sorts but should be stupidly easy to grow and very reliable. I suggest them in small quantities planted in odd spots, where they can be a backup, higher-reliability, lower labor-intensive crop to be harvested opportunistically. Rye can be quite useful. Nowadays it gets little attention but our ancestors ate a lot of it. Something I think would be useful are free-threshing versions of "ancient grains" like Emmer, Spelt, and Einkorn. Either that, or perhaps more usefully, home de-hullers like Asian rice farmers have. The persistent glume is a major reason they're easier to grow; it protects the newly-sown seed. But they are also known to be more tolerant of too much or too little rain, and poor soils. I'll probably remember but feel free to remind me--especially as I will get swamped around harvest time (but so will you...hmm...).
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Post by atash on Jun 21, 2011 17:18:42 GMT -5
Holly, that's very interesting about the upland rice. I've never heard of anyone growing rice as far north as I am so I've never tried.
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Post by johno on Jun 21, 2011 22:01:25 GMT -5
I'd love to trade for a little upland rice to experiment with, if there's enough.
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Post by Alan on Jun 21, 2011 22:52:47 GMT -5
Holly, definitely please keep me in mind for your amazing upland rice diversity which I'd love to have a go of.
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Post by Alan on Jun 21, 2011 22:57:05 GMT -5
Sorghum would be appreciated buddy, particularly human food would be nice. Hard red preferably, but really I've got room for a little of everything, so any type you might want to send I would most certainly utilize. I have a small amount of Tim Peters perrinial rye and wheat genepools but am game for some more diversity and will gladly reciprocate with you and Tom as well. Anything you think may be of interest will be gladly welcomed. I spoke to Tom the other day and told him as well that the two of you should feel free to any genetics that I may have on hand which will help you with either experiments or the seed company, I will have bulk of many, many things this coming fall, all of which you are beyond welcome to. This free exchange of genetics amongst breeders is exactly what is needed and what will in time get us all where we not only want to be but where we need to be. Small grains, corn, potatoes, beans, winter squash, sweet potatoes, and bulk easy to use items are where our focus should be along with the long lived fruiting perrinials. Alan, I'll save you some Sorghum, subject to harvest (bad year for it ). I have multiple varieties but I will need to sort them out. The most valuable one for you would probably be the bird-resistant white sorghum (DON'T FEED IT TO CHICKENS or any other livestock raw). It's intended as human food and is safe to eat once it is cooked. Most of the rest will need additional selection and breeding. Hoping to get a specific someone on-board who can do that (and has in the past...). Tom could but he's swamped with tomatoes and potatoes, not to mention he's growing out huge numbers of other things. We've got lots of varieties but small quantities of hardy grains but they will need some sorting out. We could probably send you something if you're not too picky. Hard or soft? White or red? We're trying to collect, increase, and sort through xTriticales. I would like to promote it as something easier to grow than wheat that you can use some of the same ways. Potentially even make bread out of it if the rye chromosomes have been altered (not considered GMO. I dunno how they did it...). Actually, you can also make a soft, crumbly bread out of ordinary xTriticale if you know how (and I do...). The same guy who does Sorghums does xTriticales so maybe we can get some help. Speaking of Rye I would guess that perennial rye would be hardy for you (not sure about perennial wheat and I don't want to recommend a disaster...). I should send you some of the first harvest. I have exactly 4 plants that are known perennial but I will have more in the future, plus I have a bunch that will need to be selected for perennialness. These will not bear as heavily as annual sorts but should be stupidly easy to grow and very reliable. I suggest them in small quantities planted in odd spots, where they can be a backup, higher-reliability, lower labor-intensive crop to be harvested opportunistically. Rye can be quite useful. Nowadays it gets little attention but our ancestors ate a lot of it. Something I think would be useful are free-threshing versions of "ancient grains" like Emmer, Spelt, and Einkorn. Either that, or perhaps more usefully, home de-hullers like Asian rice farmers have. The persistent glume is a major reason they're easier to grow; it protects the newly-sown seed. But they are also known to be more tolerant of too much or too little rain, and poor soils. I'll probably remember but feel free to remind me--especially as I will get swamped around harvest time (but so will you...hmm...).
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Post by 12540dumont on Jun 22, 2011 0:04:03 GMT -5
They've been trialing rice in Vermont and I've been talking a lot to Sylvia Davatz of Solstice Seed. (Everything I've ordered from her has been spectacular.) She and I traded rice. I note that the ones I started in flats are doing better than the ones I directed seeded. Directed seeded you have to be really patient to see the weeds from the rice. After my ridiculous inspection, I will post a picture of how it's going. Anyone who speaks Japanese, feel free to translate the names of these rices.
As far as I know, wase means straw. I was kind of hoping to come up with a rice that would also allow me to use the straw part for the chicken nests or?
So far, I've had to water 1 inch per 50' (3 row) my beds are approx 3' wide every 2 days. (It's 100 here.)
I'll let you know how it's going till harvest. It was my hope to disseminate seeds.
Holly
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Post by atash on Jun 22, 2011 1:22:16 GMT -5
Well, Bud, time is running short. Commodity prices are still trending up, overall, despite occasional pull-backs, and production is running into various obstacles. So, it's a good idea to spread some staple crops far and wide. I suggest especially those that are relatively reliable. For too long commercial agriculture has been pushing productivity over reliability. There were reasons for that and it's not a criticism on my part; just an observation. We're having some major crop failures, such as the loss of Chinese winter wheat, wheat loss in the southern wheat belt, and I'm not sure if it ever got planted on the Canadian high plains this year for cold and wet. The severe La Nina event disrupted the jet stream, causing havoc with both temperatures and precipitation. We're having plenty of trouble here though thankfully the climate here is stable enough (knock on wood) that even bad years we can get something harvested. Tomorrow I'm heading to the farm to plant more potatoes and various odds and ends so I'll be out a few days.
It's finally warming up here so the sorghum should finally start growing in earnest. We had to start it indoors and put it out in a coldframe because Spring was cancelled this year.
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Post by 12540dumont on Jun 25, 2011 19:35:50 GMT -5
photo of rice trial. Japanese rices on left Duborskian & Blue Bonnet on right. The Japanese was direct seeded (I won't try that again). It is not a labor saver.... Now it's like looking for morels. But instead of putting on my shroom eyes, I have to put on rice eyes and my spectacles. Attachments:
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Post by atash on Jun 26, 2011 3:31:10 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the picture, Holly.
Today I heard the news about North Dakota's Durum wheat crop. They planted about 40% of what they normally do, due to inclement weather during planting season.
Pasta prices are rising, and supplies of the flour to make it are falling fast. Commodity owners are holding it off the market because they anticipate significantly higher prices in the near future.
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Post by bunkie on Jun 26, 2011 10:51:26 GMT -5
photo of rice trial. Japanese rices on left Duborskian & Blue Bonnet on right. The Japanese was direct seeded (I won't try that again). It is not a labor saver.... Now it's like looking for morels. But instead of putting on my shroom eyes, I have to put on rice eyes and my spectacles. great pics holly! very interesting experiment. where are you located? here in eastern washington at 2750' two years ago we planted Wells Rice in flats in the greenhouse in April. transplanted them to the garden in late May. June 29th, i remember it so well, our temps dropped to 29F and it snowed all day. never seen that in the 20 plus years we've lived here. the rice plants died. how tempermental to cold are these varieties you're working? i totally agree with starting the seed not directly sowing. am looking forward to your end results. i have been reading about the people in Vermont doing trials also.
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Post by 12540dumont on Jun 26, 2011 14:23:32 GMT -5
You know, I don't have any idea how cold it can take. The directions I got were pretty sparse. Soak seeds, plant seeds as early as you can after last frost. Harvest in September. (April-September).
I'll post everything I find out. Johnno, pm me your address so I can put you on the list. Holly
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Post by Alan on Jun 26, 2011 22:42:00 GMT -5
Holly thanks for the pictures, info, and update. I am certainly looking forward to giving them a grow next season.
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Post by steev on Jun 28, 2011 23:12:23 GMT -5
My einkorn is starting to head up, 90 days from seeding.
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