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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 17, 2014 15:12:40 GMT -5
So did you plant on the north side of the building so they were in a cooler spot for flowering Yup. I have another bed (with some of the same and some different varieties) planted in an exposed field (at higher elevation). I'm also intending to expose the bed on the north side of the building to 16 hours/day of fluorescent lighting when they get to the 6-8 leaf stage. Another attempt to induce flowering during cooler temperatures. I'm basing my strategy on this paper: Environmental Control of Garlic Growth and Florogenesis J. AMER. SOC. HORT. SCI. 129(2):144151. 2004. Rina Kamenetsky, Idit London Shafir, Hanita Zemah and Amalia Barzilay, H.D. Rabinowitch. "optimal inflorescence development, with viable flowers and without topsets was observed in garlic plants exposed to [short photoperiod], with only one week interruption of [long photoperiod]. This short exposure to LP triggers scape elongation in post-transitional plants and permits the further development of the inflorescence and the completion of florogenesis with minimum competition by the development of storage organ" "At 20/12°C and [short photoperiod], an interruption by 1 week of [long photoperiod] resulted in normal flower differentiation with the formation of only a few vegetative buds [bulbils] in the umbel, and full anthesis occurred after spathe break" Refrigerated storage of the bulbs before planting lead to earlier flowering. "...following preplanting storage at 4°C, the earliest meristem transition from the vegetative to the reproductive state occurred after formation of seven or eight leaves...". I kept the GRIN field planted bulbs in the refrigerator from the time they were harvested until they were planted. My plants on the north side of the building are already at the 3 to 5 leaf stage. |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 29, 2014 14:52:38 GMT -5
This is what happened when I attempted to get garlic seeds by removing the bulbils from garlic flowers... And dropped the bulbils onto the ground. A field of garlic grass. Last year I pulled them for the farmer's market: garlic scallions. I figure I'll do the same thing this year.  |
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Post by richardw on Mar 30, 2014 3:56:54 GMT -5
Wonder if mine will do that too.
Have noticed something interesting with my hardneck garlic,i missed harvesting some bulbs and now three of four that have regrown which would have been in late summer when they did,this is amazingly early for garlic,makes my wonder if these could send up scape earlier as a result?
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Post by kevin8715 on Apr 6, 2014 16:57:57 GMT -5
Found this at a swap meet. Apparently homegrown. Very spicy.  |
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Post by richardw on Apr 25, 2014 23:40:36 GMT -5
I sowed seed in Oct 2013 and by the end of March the four young plants i managed to grow started to turn yellow and the tops dried off,today ive noticed one with a new shoot,so thats only a month,is this normal for TGS to have such a short die down period?
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Apr 26, 2014 0:05:37 GMT -5
I sowed seed in Oct 2013 and by the end of March the four young plants i managed to grow started to turn yellow and the tops dried off,today ive noticed one with a new shoot,so thats only a month,is this normal for TGS to have such a short die down period? That seems about right to me for garlic that is left in the ground. |
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Post by richardw on Apr 26, 2014 15:02:33 GMT -5
I sowed seed in Oct 2013 and by the end of March the four young plants i managed to grow started to turn yellow and the tops dried off,today ive noticed one with a new shoot,so thats only a month,is this normal for TGS to have such a short die down period? That seems about right to me for garlic that is left in the ground. Oh ok, i wonder if seeing that the four bulbs are going through there die down period they might send up a scape after the coming winter,but,they've only just formed a nut the size of a thumb nail ATM,should i put the pots in the tunnelhouse for the winter? |
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Post by meganp on Apr 26, 2014 17:15:47 GMT -5
Hello Richard, sounds like you have an undivided round which is to be expected since they've been grown from seed. Your tunnel house may be too warm for them to form cloves if you grow them in there so you are likely to get bigger rounds next year which is not a bad thing, they will yield huge bulbs when replanted the following year. It's a bit of a balancing act because this years rounds if grown outside may only give you small bulbs and they don't always send up a scape, you may need to wait until next year when you replant the cloves. However, if the cloves are small, you may get another round - clear as mud huh?
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on May 2, 2014 12:51:37 GMT -5
My first true garlic seed has germinated. Ooops!! Sorry about that. It turned out to be a grass weed. Now the garlic really are germinating though. |
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Post by richardw on May 3, 2014 19:36:51 GMT -5
Hello Richard, sounds like you have an undivided round which is to be expected since they've been grown from seed. Your tunnel house may be too warm for them to form cloves if you grow them in there so you are likely to get bigger rounds next year which is not a bad thing, they will yield huge bulbs when replanted the following year. It's a bit of a balancing act because this years rounds if grown outside may only give you small bulbs and they don't always send up a scape, you may need to wait until next year when you replant the cloves. However, if the cloves are small, you may get another round - clear as mud huh? Hi Megan, they had grown to thumb nail size rounds before die back so now that they are starting there second growing season they will form a bulb,but its a question of whether they will be large enough to grow a scape,thats why i thought the tunnel house will help it carry on growing through the winter where it wont outside,i'm talking about putting the pot back out again in Sep before it gets too warm inside,remembering the tunnel house doesn't get overly warm from now now till the end of Aug,its just that it never goes below freezing |
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Post by meganp on May 4, 2014 2:11:18 GMT -5
Hello Richard, since all of Dr B's seeds are rocamboles,there is a likelihood that your rounds will grow into small bulbs, however having only ever grown out bulbils, I've found that rocamboles take up to two seasons to produce scapes for me and purple stripes & porcelains three or even four seasons so don't be disappointed if they don't produce scapes. The advantage of keeping them in the tunnel house would be that you'd likely get much bigger rounds in your second season than leaving them out in the open, so that when you replant in year three, you should get good sized bulbs that will definitely send up a scape. Here's an assortment second and third season bulbs and rounds grown from bulbils and none of the bulbs have scaped. (thanks T for the instructions on how to upload photos:)) [img src=" ![]() farm6.staticflickr.com/5317/14088016376_976577f25c_n.jpg" src="http:// 2013-12-14 by meganp08, on Flickr" alt=" "] |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on May 11, 2014 22:51:19 GMT -5
Ivan's garlic are germinating. These were planted according to the "Wintersown" method in about January/February. This represents about 35% germination. The bottle was placed on the East side of a wall.  |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on May 13, 2014 23:24:37 GMT -5
I am attempting to induce earlier flowering in garlic by providing 16 hours of light per day. My hope is that this will trigger them to flower in cooler temperatures so that they will be less likely to form bulbils and more likely to form flowers. This is the patch which is on the north side of a building: Another attempt to keep the patch cooler. The plants currently have between 5 and 8 leaves. The bulbs were left in the ground after last growing season. The tubes in the fixture closest to the camera are shot. Hoping to replace them tomorrow. I'm only intending to leave the lights on the plants for 7 days. I'm adding something like 2-3 hours of light per day.  |
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Post by philagardener on May 14, 2014 5:59:22 GMT -5
An interesting experiment! Please watch out for moisture and electrical issues. Good luck!
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on May 14, 2014 8:09:55 GMT -5
I figured last year that the garlic could have used some type of support. The scapes in the field grow straight upwards, but the ones on the north side of the building lean heavily towards the light. I'm intending some type of Texas weave for the patch this year. An interesting experiment! Please watch out for moisture and electrical issues. Good luck! I installed the lights the day after it stopped raining, with 10 days of clear skies projected. I'm intending to build a tent if the weather turns cloudy. However, as soon as I post this I get to go outside and turn on the irrigation line that I drove a steel post through. So if I mysteriously stop posting... |
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