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Post by catanache on Sept 26, 2014 22:22:58 GMT -5
I'm wondering if growing in a stand of staghorn sumac might change garlic's reproductive tendencies? I was cleaning up an area that had basically been abandoned several years ago and found that there was still some garlic growing in the area. The ones at the edge of the area looked normal with scapes full of bulbils but the ones towards the center only had flowers, no bulbils at all. I went back later in the year and harvested the seed. The ones that flowered didn't form bulbs, the plants were just dead. The ones at the edge that had bulbils had formed small divided bulbs. Wish I'd gotten pics of some of this. From what I remember, it was probably Chesnok Red garlic.
Any thoughts on this? I know that the sumac has some allelopathic tendencies. I have bulbils/cloves of a dozen or so hardneck varieties and a chunk of orchard that the sumac has taken over rather badly. Think it's worth combining them?
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Post by richardw on Sept 27, 2014 0:22:31 GMT -5
Be interesting if this happened if you grow it the same again next time catanache. The TGS plant that was bitten off by a rat has made a complete recovery,hopefully its big enough to grow a scape this coming summer.  |
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Post by meganp on Sept 27, 2014 3:07:29 GMT -5
Looking good Richard:)
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Post by richardw on Sept 27, 2014 4:56:18 GMT -5
Yes ,considering it was a seed 12 months ago |
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Post by kevin8715 on Sept 27, 2014 20:35:46 GMT -5
Surprise for me today. When looking through the jungles of the sweet potato, found a dried down garlic. Last year I planted some sprouting garlic, from China. They didn't do se well so I forgot about them. Back to today. The garlic, puny looking, had a scape with seeds in it.  I plan to plant the cloves back in and try to germinate the seeds. Really exciting since there was absolutely no human intervention. Just neglect and the sweet potato covering it completely. |
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Post by kazedwards on Sept 28, 2014 11:20:36 GMT -5
I think crowding helps. I hope to one day to set up a permanent bed for garlic to see what happens. Kinda like with walking onions.
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Post by copse on Sept 28, 2014 14:25:04 GMT -5
I think crowding helps. I hope to one day to set up a permanent bed for garlic to see what happens. Kinda like with walking onions. What sort of result are you hoping for? Just to verify that the limited space from bunched cloves sprouting against each other results in smaller cloves? Or something more? |
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Post by kazedwards on Sept 29, 2014 0:02:25 GMT -5
I think crowding helps. I hope to one day to set up a permanent bed for garlic to see what happens. Kinda like with walking onions. What sort of result are you hoping for? Just to verify that the limited space from bunched cloves sprouting against each other results in smaller cloves? Or something more? I don't really know. I suppose I would like to have a low maintenance garlic patch. Also I would like to see what they would do if in a more natural setting. As in how much it would spread, how it can compete with weeds, how much it thrives or doesn't. So I don't really know. Also it would be a place for me to dump any bulbils that I don't plan on using for the next year. It would kinda be a caught all I guess. For now I don't have enough room for what I want to take care of let alone what I want to forget about. |
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Post by richardw on Sept 29, 2014 13:41:39 GMT -5
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Post by copse on Sept 29, 2014 15:46:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the one I have a kg of planted out.  |
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Post by richardw on Sept 30, 2014 2:42:01 GMT -5
Shame its a softneck type copse,have you grown it in previous growing seasons ? whats the brassica on the end??
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Post by copse on Sept 30, 2014 2:55:54 GMT -5
Shame its a softneck type copse,have you grown it in previous growing seasons ? whats the brassica on the end?? This is the first season. The brassica on the end is red russian kale, and slightly out of shot is cavolo nero. Just going to let it self-seed. |
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Post by kevin8715 on Sept 30, 2014 16:35:07 GMT -5
Just got confirmation through email of Ivan selling garlic bulbs and seeds this season. Same price.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Oct 6, 2014 19:55:42 GMT -5
I collected 17 seeds today from PI 540319. That brings my total seed collection for the year to 26 seeds.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Oct 16, 2014 10:23:30 GMT -5
Yesterday I weeded and thinned the GRIN garlic. This was their second year from bulbils. They all flowered, but only PI 540319 produced seeds. I left them in the field all summer. PI 540319 has resprouted strongly and is about 6 to 8 inches tall. W6 26171 has also sprouted and is about 2 to 3 inches tall. W6 produced more cloves. PI 540319 has been my favorite all along.
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I plan to plant the cloves back in and try to germinate the seeds. Really exciting since there was absolutely no human intervention. Just neglect and the sweet potato covering it completely.
