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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 17, 2012 15:34:22 GMT -5
Josephs best Joseph’s Good St. Joe’s Worst Rossa di Sulmona Viola Francese Early Italian White Foothill Farm Purple Foothill Farm White Z058 - Uzbekistan PI 540357 Russian Federation W626 171 Kazakstan PI540316 FSU PI540319 Poland PI540337 CZ Adzanskij Jo's alphabet soup is planted separately with bulbils in the front garden After the last rain, we started to get rust. The bane of my garlic and why I'm searching for True Garlic Seed. Attachments:
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Post by richardw on Apr 17, 2012 16:07:19 GMT -5
Certainly looking alright though Holly,rust in my garlic is something i dont get thank goodness
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Post by 12540dumont on Jun 9, 2012 15:13:32 GMT -5
Joseph, Open this up large and look at this picture carefully. This is your garlic. These are not bubils but flowers. But, do they have pollen? Holly Attachments:
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jun 9, 2012 21:50:45 GMT -5
Joseph, Open this up large and look at this picture carefully. This is your garlic. These are not bubils but flowers. But, do they have pollen? Holly Is that an Elephant Garlic??? |
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Post by 12540dumont on Jun 10, 2012 1:47:17 GMT -5
Joseph, this photo is from the garlic that you sent me last fall. This is from the group that you called Joseph's Best. I have never grown elephant garlic and do not know what was in your mix of garlic.
However, these 2 have real flowers, not bulbils. I have never seen a garlic flower. I'm about to send this off to Barbara, the USDA garlic curator. I was just hoping that from the photo you could tell if that's actual pollen that I'm looking at. I have sat and watched these, but they are not visited by bees. There are 2 flowers. Each alike in this color and form.
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Post by raymondo on Jun 10, 2012 4:57:46 GMT -5
Looks very like a leek flower, so may well be elephant garlic.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jun 10, 2012 9:16:17 GMT -5
My eyesight is good enough in the garden on a sunny day that I can rub my finder on a flower and see if a streak of pollen shows up... In the photo I can see anthers, but it wasn't close enough to see pollen grains. For about a year now, I have been carrying a loupe in my pocket. Sure is nice for evaluating plants for male sterility. With all the gadgets I carry around, I really aughta switch to wearing cargo pants.
I have elephant garlic in my garden. It grows extremely poorly for me, producing a smaller bulb each year than what went into the ground... I think that I grow it in a separate patch from the garlic, but I have occasional helpers and germplasm has a sneaky habit of chaos.
Take your knife and cut off a piece of a clove. You may be able to taste if it's leek-like.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jun 10, 2012 10:29:27 GMT -5
Here's a review article I read today about Flowering, Seed Production, and the Genesis of Garlic Breeding. The article is from 9 years ago, so I figure that things aughta be even better today. And a blog post full of practical advice by Ted Jordan Meredith and Avram Drucker who are actually growing true garlic seed. They recommend the Marbled Purple Stripe group as the most likely to produce seed. Woo Hoo!!! I am growing some from that group, and they are beginning to send up scapes. Also a seed catalog by one of the above authors lists varieties that are known to produce true seeds: Brown Vesper, Chimgan, Punuk, and Sural. |
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Post by 12540dumont on Jun 10, 2012 12:21:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I read those, and corresponded with Barbara and Maria and the SSE folks.
So my garlic was so infected with rust that it was impossible to save the trial. I set aside 6 plants that I'm letting make bulbils. As the bulbils have no soil contact, I will start with those again next year. In addition I have bulbils growing the the front garden...far far away from those areas where the rust will now live forever.
One of the seed companies from which I purchased garlic had rust and knowingly shipped the garlic out, spreading rust. What company....let's just say they are in Oregon. A reliable (VERY) source gave me this information.
So, now that I have rust my garlic days are over unless I can get true garlic seed. When we add a new section to the farm this year, that's where next year's garlic will have to go. Since no one has walked on that portion of the farm, it may be safe. Once the garlic got rust, we had to change our shoes, clothes and wash our tools upon leaving the garlic field. I do not think that any of these precautions have helped.
I have identified some resistant strains of garlic, so I will see if I can get any of these.
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Post by DarJones on Jun 10, 2012 18:32:34 GMT -5
Elephant garlic is so well adapted here that I have to dig it up and get rid of it. I keep a few plants around because it is nearly as versatile as garlic to cook with. I got a start of it from my mother who had a single volunteer plant beside the back steps of the house we lived in 48 years ago. That plant multiplied into a huge sprawling mass in the back yard until we started shoveling part of it out and leaving just enough to maintain a stand. Some of the cloves will be 2 inches across. Most are about half that size.
DarJones
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Post by raymondo on Jun 10, 2012 23:55:45 GMT -5
I'm all enthused again. I have five varieties of garlic in so I'll single out a few flower heads from each variety to leave and remove the bulbils. That won't be for six months or so. I think they are all hardneck types, certainly three of them are. One may be a softneck and so produce no flower scape. Time will tell.
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Post by mnjrutherford on Jun 11, 2012 7:30:52 GMT -5
You are in garlic planting season! That's right, I forget! Ya know, gardening is an all year affair. There is something exciting going on all the time.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Jun 11, 2012 7:36:53 GMT -5
Jo, your climate is pretty mild. Could you not get more than one crop per year at your place?
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Post by mnjrutherford on Jun 11, 2012 8:56:20 GMT -5
I have pondered that very thing Wendy. Trouble is, if I can't get around to planting in the normal season, how the heck will I do a second?
It's interesting that you call the weather here "mild". It sure has been mild over the past 12 months. We've lived here for 6 years now and really, there is a pretty broad fluctuation both month to month and year to year. It kinda blows me away because it's very different from what I'm accustomed to in California and Florida.
We ARE (I think) going to try for a second potato crop this year. ;o)
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Jun 11, 2012 10:53:46 GMT -5
You have the season for it, make use of it for sure!
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