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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 9, 2017 13:40:58 GMT -5
I've read that TGS plants are much more likely to produce seed than non-TGS plants after time. Is this true for first generation TGS plants, or does it have to go a few generations before readily seeding and germinating? The grand secret of plant breeding, is that offspring tend to resemble their parents and grandparents, so chances are excellent that first generation offspring will likewise produce seeds.
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Post by garand555 on Mar 9, 2017 14:02:09 GMT -5
I've read that TGS plants are much more likely to produce seed than non-TGS plants after time. Is this true for first generation TGS plants, or does it have to go a few generations before readily seeding and germinating? The grand secret of plant breeding, is that offspring tend to resemble their parents and grandparents, so chances are excellent that first generation offspring will likewise produce seeds. A little bit of extra history on the plants that I got the seed from: A couple of years before, I had obtained seed from the same line, then promptly lost the seeds. I forgot which cultivar it is, but, if it tastes good and produces TGS, I really don't care at this point. Then, last year, I did the whole bulbil removal thing, and the plants produced seed far more readily. I got something like 6x more seeds from roughly the same number of plants, even though it had not been from plants that came from TGS, just plants that had produced TGS in the past. My suspicion is that there is also some epigenetic stuff going on based on that. This year, I also have my softneck-turned-hardneck that I tried to get TGS from last year. It appears to be male sterile, so I have it planted next to the cultivar that produced TGS in the past. I never knew what cultivar it was as I had acquired the seed garlic from the grocery store. If I can get TGS from that, my head is going to inflate.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 10, 2017 0:28:10 GMT -5
I had about 2000 garlic seeds last fall, I shared them so widely that I only have about 100 left for planting for myself. Oh well. I'm finally learning how to grow garlic seeds, and have selected for the seediest varieties, and inter-planted them closely. So I expect plenty of fresh seed this summer. I expect to plant my remaining seeds in the next day or two.
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Post by meganp on Mar 10, 2017 1:26:27 GMT -5
despite the anthers being yellow, am quietly optimistic that I will get seeds from my no id garlic that I cut the scapes from and have had indoors in a vase of water
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Post by steev on Mar 10, 2017 1:31:09 GMT -5
The game is afoot, Sherlock.
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Post by garand555 on Mar 15, 2017 21:14:18 GMT -5
I'm up to 6 that have emerged now. One of them was on top of the seed starting soil, and I noticed the beginnings of a root, and pointed the root down into the soil. That was 5 or 6 days ago, and it finally popped up today. That tells me that germination is a slow, painful process for these first generation seeds. I think that, once they're bigger, I'm going to plant them in the garden instead of pots. I'm far more likely to forget to take care of something in a pot.
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Post by richardw on Mar 23, 2017 13:55:00 GMT -5
Two growing seasons of trying to get seed have failed to produce, so i'm planing on trying other methods to see if it make any difference. Successional planting over a 6 month period, ive got one 3x1metre bed thats been growing since late summer, sowed a 6x1 metre bed yesterday of TGS produced cloves with plans to do three more beds before mid winter. Also going to plant out a heap of cloves under the apple trees, the orchard gets over head watered so they should do fine. It was the rust that effected the last season garlic so i'm thinking that garlic in under the trees amoung long grass should get hit by the rust..well..i hope at least that works.
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Post by bryajw on Apr 1, 2017 23:30:30 GMT -5
I planted my TGS (about 100) on March 10th here in Idaho. I kept them in the freezer over the winter. None have come up yet. I still have a few that I did not plant.
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Post by meganp on Apr 3, 2017 4:26:00 GMT -5
although I said that I'd given up on trying to obtain true seed this season, I removed the bulbils from a no id marbled purple stripe that I'd severed scapes from and the flowers appear to have been fertilised. Whether or not they produce viable seeds is an entirely different matter but am rather chuffed never the less.
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Post by philagardener on Apr 3, 2017 5:56:13 GMT -5
Those look very promising! Great!
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Post by bryajw on May 17, 2017 22:18:34 GMT -5
After having none of my direct planted TGS germinate, I decided to try a different method. On May 9th I placed some seeds in a folded wet paper towel and put them in a plastic container. Today I found two seeds with sprouts. I've transplanted them to an outside pot.
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Post by kazedwards on Jun 6, 2017 23:15:51 GMT -5
That's great. Wish you luck. I doubt I'll get any this year. It least it's not a goal. I just hope the strains I have will make it through. I haven't really paid much attention to garlic this year. Only checked it a half dozen times. Might weed it tomorrow though. I'll be out at the house with a brush cutter since I don't yet have anything other than a push mower.
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Post by kazedwards on Jun 8, 2017 10:24:16 GMT -5
The plants from the "insurance" bulbils you sent me are growing nicely here. If you have any problems, when you are all situated at your new place I can set you back up with them and any other varieties that you may want that I have available. This year, next year, whenever. I do think it is better to try to save what you have because it is acclimated at least to your climate if not the soil being that it has been moved to a new location, but it is nice to know you have backups out there if you ever need them. Yes it is for sure. I checked the garlic yesterday too. It seems to be doing good. The chesnok Red has scapes as well as the TGS plants from last year. The plants from bulbils from the TGS plant are very small but seem to be going good too. I think reed Indiana Homestead has scapes too but I would have to check my notes. All the bulbils I planted are doing well but no scapes this year. Very small quantities but a lot of variety. I will start to build them back up next year.
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Post by reed on Jun 8, 2017 20:39:32 GMT -5
All of my garlic is pretty far along on scapes with most starting to uncurl. Red Russian is the exception, it apparently just doesn't like it here. Only a couple even have scapes and they are small. Over all is maybe half or less the size of German Brown and Spanish Roja. RHH and two year old Chesnock Red are the biggest.
I'll be watching for any flowers, this is the first time I have possibility of multiple kinds blooming together.
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Post by tedmeredith on Jun 21, 2017 1:37:44 GMT -5
Regarding garlic seed germination: Vernalization (a period of cold) is an important factor in garlic seed germination. While garlic seed can germinate without vernalization, success may be substantially reduced. Regarding freezing, it is my understanding from a general source that a period of freezing per se may not satisfy vernalization requirements, but rather a period of cold above freezing may be needed. In our experience, the moist refrigeration method suggested by Dr. Maria Jenderek that we described in the “Growing Seed into Plants” section of our garlic seed article garlicseed.blogspot.com/p/growing-garlic-from-true-seed.html and addenda on soil garlicseed.blogspot.com/p/addenda-to-article-growing-garlic-from.html has been the most predictable and reliable method for seed germination. However, the prospect of direct seeding certainly has appeal. From the 2015 seed harvest we had 99 seeds that were from unidentified parentage. On 2/6/16, I dry stored those seeds in a refrigerator without bleach treatment. On 4/19/16, I removed the seeds from the refrigerator and direct seeded them into a garden area of poor soil where alliums had never previously been planted. Only two seeds germinated, but produced fairly vigorous plants. Beginning this spring, I noticed that 7 more seeds had germinated. Germination had occurred approximately a year after planting. Most healthy, robust, vernalized garlic seed will germinate in about 7 to 10 days, but weaker seed can take substantially longer. Previously I had experienced occasional germination after nearly 4 months. I had read in the literature of germination occurring a year after planting, but had not previously experienced it. Rapid germination is certainly most desirable, but it is interesting that germination can sometimes occur after an extended period of time. Ted garlicseed.blogspot.com/p/growing-garlic-from-true-seed.html
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