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Post by steve1 on Oct 16, 2019 6:27:43 GMT -5
Thought I would let people here know that the first TGS garlic to be made available in Australia is Perhonnen Kahdesta, released by Tasmanian Gourmet Garlic, 5 years from seed. Its heritage is SPS x MPS In case you ever wondered whether Australia takes it's quarentine/biosecurity laws seriously - they do. Thought I'd pop this link up. TGC is currently closed for this reason (I guess). |
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Post by jerrymcmanus on Nov 21, 2019 12:36:17 GMT -5
Hi Folks, Well, it looks like a bust after all. The ovaries continue to wither and no sign of true seed. The few ovaries that are still green stopped developing weeks ago. I think I know why now, the bulb I left in the ground has started sprouting! We had a stretch of cooler than usual weather and apparently that was enough to start the bulb growing again. I've given up on true seed for now, but I'm going to leave the whole thing alone and see what comes up. Certainly a good learning experience, garlic really does want to be a perennial if given the chance!
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Post by moloch on May 3, 2020 11:46:39 GMT -5
The TGS are lively this year. I had about a dozen of them sprout within 3 inches. I may need to space these out a little better.
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Post by mitchell on May 28, 2020 3:23:14 GMT -5
Hi All,
I've managed to get my hands on a limited number of true garlic seeds and I wanted to hedge my bets by trying different sowing techniques to ensure the highest likelihood of successful germination. I'm a little anxious about it because I value the seeds so I wanted some input on how my plans sound/ what else I could do.
Where I am it's just under a month away from the winter solstice. We get mild winters; temps bottom out around 1 or 2 degrees Celsius. I'm going to bleach treat the seeds and put half of them in the fridge to cold stratify for six weeks. The other half I plan on sowing without stratification hoping that the winter temps will be enough. Will a couple of degrees Celsius be cold enough?
Here's the plan:
1. Cold scarification in fridge - direct sown
2. Cold scarification in fridge - sown in trays
3. No cold scarification in fridge - direct sown
4. No cold scarification in fridge - sown in trays
I plan on sowing shortly after the winter solstice (early-mid winter) and again during late winter.
What do people think? Am I over thinking it and is there just a "best way" that I should use to get solid results or should I play around with it?
And Moloch, that is a wicked result! Why do you think you've been having so much success? What process did you use for sowing this seasons seeds?
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Post by moloch on May 28, 2020 9:36:01 GMT -5
My success is surely do to raw numbers... sow 1000+ seeds, and a few will sprout.
My first try was a 30-day dry stratification in the fridge (with seeds from Ivan). I germinated them indoors, about 10% sprouted. (most of them died because I had them in small 3-inch deep containers)
My second attempt was 30-days in the fridge sandwiched between 2 wet paper towels (with seeds from Garlicana). I sowed these outside in the spring. About 20% germinated.
My third attempt was 30-days in the fridge on top of a single wet paper towel (with my own seeds). I sowed these outside, but we got a late frost. Only 1 seed germinated.
My fourth attempt (pictured). I put them in the fridge, half were sandwiched between 2 wet paper towels, half sitting on top (my own seeds). Some were left for 17 days, some 22 days, some 28 days. I didn't notice much difference in germination rates between them. About 10% germinated this year.
I just get my soil prepared and amended, drop seeds on top, then cover with 2-3mm of soil and water them in.
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Post by jerrymcmanus on Jul 30, 2020 15:04:12 GMT -5
Hi Folks, The softneck from the supermarket that put up a scape last year got moved to a big sunny container and it just went gangbusters. I count six new scapes, at least one of which looks VERY vigorous. I will repeat the process of picking off the bulbils at the earliest opportunity and keep my fingers crossed!
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Post by atilgan on Jan 4, 2021 13:30:29 GMT -5
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Post by flowerbug on Jan 4, 2021 15:37:52 GMT -5
Hi Folks, The softneck from the supermarket that put up a scape last year got moved to a big sunny container and it just went gangbusters. I count six new scapes, at least one of which looks VERY vigorous. I will repeat the process of picking off the bulbils at the earliest opportunity and keep my fingers crossed!
i hope that works out! 
also, wish i had a lot more space and time than i do here to start another project, but new garlics are always good to see. i hope some people here will take you up on the offer so that variety can get spread around more for people to try out.
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Post by joeyd on May 4, 2021 1:44:15 GMT -5
 
I was able to get seed from Ivan and Garlicana at the end of 2019. I ended up staring the seed a bit late in 2020, and had probably around 40 out of about 200 sprout. Then the squirrels attacked and dug up all my seedlings.  I was able to save ten seedlings and keep them alive through the summer and kept them in pot outside over the winter. (with some netting to protect from squirrels.) Two of the seedlings divided into four. So, I now have 16 growing in my garden right now. After several years of trying to get my own seed from several garlic varieties, and only getting a handful of seeds that did not sprout; it's nice to have some garlic from true seed actually growing. If I get seed this year I'd like to trade with anyone in the US who would be willing to exchange seeds. I'll give an update in the fall if I have any. |
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Post by neosis on Jun 25, 2021 15:26:31 GMT -5
hi, im from the states but have lived on the southern border of brasil for about 6 years. Ive never posted anything before so not sure how all this works. anyways, Ive been growing wild indigenous garlic that was found in the forrest 6 years ago. my friend found this plant and gave me the 6 gient cloves as I do no-till organic gardening. I was growing garlic at the time and these were the biggest cloves ive ever seen. Ive planted twice each year since. Ive been selecting for size and vigor. I think this variety is similiar to what was grown in the 'one straw revolution' book by Masanobu Fukuoka. this garlic makes a perpetual garlic patch. I have garlic that comes up every year where i first planted it years ago. Havested everything and new plants come up every year. This plant has another way of propagation that Ive never seen or heard of anywhere. It produces underground baby bulbs. i dont know what they are called. I call them nuts as they have a very hard shell like a pistashio nut. each plant will make 5 to 10 of these nuts that are seperated from the main head and attached by a thin root like thread that extends out an inch or more from the plant. these naturally break off and stay in the soil when you harvest the plant. I have buckets of these nuts and have grown them out into full size plants. They come up the second year by themselves. The plants are huge. at least twice the size of anything ive ever grown. and they are magnificent to look at. they all form beautiful spirals with very sharp edges. paper cut sharp. And these plants have true seed. there are hundreds of seeds in each flower head. the flower look exactly like my onion fowers and once tried, i cant tell them apart by looking. the seeds are tiny and many.
the garlic heads are larger than elephant garlic and each clove is heavier than an entire head of commercial garlic. Ill post pics as soon as i figure out how this all works. I make a fermented garlic extract from this garlic that is sold for parasite removal here as everyone gets parasites in this part of the world. its very effective for this.
Anyways, i feel that ive got something special in this. I have an idea to sell this to a breeder or producer as it is a real game changer in the garden and the kitchen. easiest garlic to peel. the skns are very hard and kinda shatter and come off easy. Im going to plant seed this year as well as cloves. im wondering if anyone here knows anything about patenting a plant.
Thanks, ill post pics
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Post by flowerbug on Jun 25, 2021 20:34:44 GMT -5
i always look forwards to pictures and more information. not sure how winter hardy that might be though. how cold hardy is it? |
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Post by joeyd on Jul 7, 2021 21:40:41 GMT -5
hi, im from the states but have lived on the southern border of brasil for about 6 years. Ive never posted anything before so not sure how all this works. anyways, Ive been growing wild indigenous garlic that was found in the forrest 6 years ago. my friend found this plant and gave me the 6 gient cloves as I do no-till organic gardening. I was growing garlic at the time and these were the biggest cloves ive ever seen. Ive planted twice each year since. Ive been selecting for size and vigor. I think this variety is similiar to what was grown in the 'one straw revolution' book by Masanobu Fukuoka. this garlic makes a perpetual garlic patch. I have garlic that comes up every year where i first planted it years ago. Havested everything and new plants come up every year. This plant has another way of propagation that Ive never seen or heard of anywhere. It produces underground baby bulbs. i dont know what they are called. I call them nuts as they have a very hard shell like a pistashio nut. each plant will make 5 to 10 of these nuts that are seperated from the main head and attached by a thin root like thread that extends out an inch or more from the plant. these naturally break off and stay in the soil when you harvest the plant. I have buckets of these nuts and have grown them out into full size plants. They come up the second year by themselves. The plants are huge. at least twice the size of anything ive ever grown. and they are magnificent to look at. they all form beautiful spirals with very sharp edges. paper cut sharp. And these plants have true seed. there are hundreds of seeds in each flower head. the flower look exactly like my onion fowers and once tried, i cant tell them apart by looking. the seeds are tiny and many. the garlic heads are larger than elephant garlic and each clove is heavier than an entire head of commercial garlic. Ill post pics as soon as i figure out how this all works. I make a fermented garlic extract from this garlic that is sold for parasite removal here as everyone gets parasites in this part of the world. its very effective for this. Anyways, i feel that ive got something special in this. I have an idea to sell this to a breeder or producer as it is a real game changer in the garden and the kitchen. easiest garlic to peel. the skns are very hard and kinda shatter and come off easy. Im going to plant seed this year as well as cloves. im wondering if anyone here knows anything about patenting a plant. Thanks, ill post pics What you describe sounds exactly like elephant garlic. I know you said that it is a wild indigenous garlic, but it is very possible that it is some variety of Allium ampeloprasum, which is the species that commercial leeks and elephant garlic comes from. There has been an exchange of plants between the Americas and Europe for 500 years, so it would not be unusual to find a variety of elephant garlic growing wild somewhere. The larger size than commercial elephant garlic may just be from good growing conditions. Actual garlic is Allium sativum and does not produce the underground baby bulbs(they are called corms) with the hard shell that you describe. Elephant garlic is known to produce seeds, but they are sterile. Also, since the bulbs you originally got were from a wild growing patch, they were likely dividing asexually and all your plants are probably clones. This would limit there ability to produce seeds as well. If you actually do have a seed producing elephant garlic that would also be interesting in it own right. I would plant the seeds and see if they grow. Best of luck. |
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Post by farside on Aug 9, 2021 10:33:51 GMT -5
Hi all,
I just stumbled across this forum and thought I'd join up.
I've been growing hardneck garlic for 3 or 4 years here in central Canada, and last year decided to try planting bulbils for some plants I left the scapes on.
I harvested the rounds yesterday and they are curing at the moment.
I am planning on doing it again this year on 2 different varieties, The scapes have straightened out (one variety is 6 ft tall) and the spathe is just starting to split, so I'm thinking I'll try and get a few of these to set seed.
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Post by farside on Aug 9, 2021 10:56:15 GMT -5
I'm working my way through 49 pages of discussion, and maybe this has come up...
When we grow plants for food, we take great care in making sure they have everything they need and aren't stressed. Many plants like spinach and radish bolt at the first bit of stress, and it is a natural response for plants. when they get stressed, they set seed because they "think" they are going to die soon.
If you're growing plants for seed, you want them stressed. The more stressed they are, the more fertile they become.
When it comes to getting garlic to seed, has anyone noticed that plants growing in marginal conditions and left to compete in a landrace (long grass / weeds) are more disposed to setting seed? Most garlic is planted traditionally where bulb size is the desired outcome. It may not be the optimal method when seed is the desired outcome.
Anyway, just a thought.
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Post by flowerbug on Aug 9, 2021 20:49:26 GMT -5
I'm working my way through 49 pages of discussion, and maybe this has come up... ... Anyway, just a thought.
haha! all welcome thoughts and welcome to the board here.
i've never had any trouble getting more garlic than i can possibly ever use. i have several thousand bulbules from scapes that i took off plants because i sure didn't want them to drop and start even more plants growing. years ago i had about half a five gallon bucket worth so i have been able to gradually weed them out and reduce how many i have around, but there is still some areas to clean up of extra garlic. for sure i won't be throwing any more bulbules around hoping they grow. in the meantime these i have i will give away to anyone who wants them and then sometime next spring if nobody wants them i'll chop them up and feed them to the worms. the largest ones can be eaten and are worth peeling or using. the tiny ones, nah, i just have to chop them up so they won't regrow very well and then give them to the worm farm because worms love anything like onion and garlic bits.
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I was able to save ten seedlings and keep them alive through the summer and kept them in pot outside over the winter. (with some netting to protect from squirrels.) Two of the seedlings divided into four. So, I now have 16 growing in my garden right now. After several years of trying to get my own seed from several garlic varieties, and only getting a handful of seeds that did not sprout; it's nice to have some garlic from true seed actually growing.