Post by 12540dumont on Oct 10, 2012 1:08:58 GMT -5
I'll probably start planting this week and finish next week. I have to put in Leeks and onions too.
Usually I don't do garlic before October 15. Well, because the melons have to come out of the field first! I'm almost done harvesting. A few melons, lots of pumpkins and field corn and then I can finally get the alliums in.
Joseph, they're getting true garlic seed in Israel. So....I know you can do it.
Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Oct 24, 2012 14:00:47 GMT -5
The garlic umbels were very dry last weekend, so I threshed them. I got a total of three seeds from the entire project this year. That is with using off-the-shelf garlic with no thought given beforehand to selecting for fertile varieties or environmental conditioning. I'm hoping to do better next year with more carefully selected varieties, and by providing a diversity of environmental conditions.
Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Nov 15, 2012 20:05:54 GMT -5
Edit: This post is updated as new information becomes available.
Tuesday I received some garlic bulbils from Holly. They originated at GRIN. They are from accessions which are known to produce true garlic seeds. They are tiny and there are lots of them!!! Yesterday I tilled a spot at the house for them. It's a bit warmer micro-climate, and has very sandy soil so even though there was snow in the garden, it tilled up nicely. I expect to plant them in the next couple days. There are enough for sharing if anyone is interested. I'm expecting to put some of them in pots and try growing them during the winter.
Former Soviet Union. Male Fertile. Purple Anthers. Very late flowering. Highest number of established offspring in Jenderek's study (2004). 38% of offspring were male sterile. Closed spathe, slow to open. Difficult to remove bulbils. More than 200 flowers per umbel. Slow scape senescence.
Bulbils took 28 days to emerge in greenhouse. Growth in field is slow. Yield 30 g per 21 foot row.
Planted the 10 largest bulbs for 2014 growing season. No seed obtained.
Poland. Marbled purple stripe. Very early-flowering. ~300 Flowers per umbel. High pollen viability. Easy Bulbil removal by shaking. Very tall scapes with open spathe. Slow scape senescence. A photo is available at Heirloom Vegetable Archive: Garlic
Quick emergence and robust growth of bulbils (7 days in greenhouse). Yield 300 g per 21 foot row. One seed found among bulbils obtained from GRIN.
Planted an entire row for the 2014 growing season. 2nd year bulbils sent up scapes before 2014-05-27. 17 seeds collected. Bulbs left in field were strongly sprouted by mid-October. Plants about 8" tall.
North Moravia, Czech Republic. Purple Stripe. Near base of DNA spanning network. High pollen viability. Very short scapes with open spathe. Mid-season flowering. ~ 50-100 flowers. Easy bulbil removal. Synonym: Adizanskij.
Bulbils took 21 days to emerge in greenhouse. Slowest emergence and very slow growth of bulbils outdoors. Yield 20 g per 21 foot row.
Planted the 10 largest bulbs for 2014 growing season. No seed obtained.
Bulbils took 14 days to emerge in greenhouse. Growth in field is moderate. Yield 200 g per 21 foot row.
Planted about 15 to 20 bulbs for 2014 growing season. Scapes emerging on 2nd year bulbils on 2014-06-03. No seed obtained. Bulbs left in field had sprouted by mid-October. Plants about 2" tall.
Allium Longicuspis, Uzbekistan. Phenotypically diverse bulbils. From within the center of origin for garlic.
Bulbils took 20 days to emerge in greenhouse. Growth in field is moderate. Yield 114 g per 21 foot row.
Planted about 15 to 20 bulbs for 2014 growing season. 2nd year bulbils sent up strong 4 foot tall scapes before 2014-05-27. Flowers withered without producing swollen ovaries.
Emergence date was noted when 50% of bulbils had sprouted.
Planted outdoors in permaculture garden on 2012-11-17 from East to West in this order: PI 540337, PI 540319, PI 540316, PI 540357, W6 26171, Z058. Also potted some up and am growing them in front of an East facing basement window. Still some left for sharing. 2013-07-01. Couldn't find these to dig, so left most of them in the ground. They grew poorly compared to those in the open field. (Tree roots and shade.)
Planted bulbils in North field on 2013-03-19. Dug 2013-07-26. Stored in refrigerator. Harvest weights are for one row in the north field. They are only provided as an indication of the relative growth of the plants in my garden. I didn't count bulbils going into the ground. A generous amount was planted except for PI 540319 which was limited.
2014-11-01: Planted bulbs in East Field. Planted all of PI540319, and 10 to 20 bulb samples of the others. Planted largest bulbs. Some of PI540319 were divided bulbs (3 cloves per bulb.)
2014-04-25: PI 540337 in permaculture garden didn't survive the winter.
Edit: Copying the contents of a post from some time ago, so that all the data about my cultivars are in the same post.
Origin and Notes
By Maria Jenderek. From USSR.
Did not produce seed in 2013.
Chimgan: (Z 059)
By Barbara Hellier and Phillip Simon. Growing wild near Chimgan Mountain (Большой Чимган) in Uzbekistan. Punuk is a nearby village in Tajikistan. This area is within the center of origin for garlic.
Growing wild near Punuk in NW Tajikistan. Collected on 25-Jun-2006. Punuk is close to Chimgan Mountain in Uzbekistan. GPS: 40.81416667N, 70.70444444E, Elevation: 2045 ft. This area is within the center of origin for garlic.
Two flower stalks had radically different flowers: (petals in star shape instead of typical fused-cup shape). Did not produce seed in 2013.
From the southern Ural Mountains. From the open farmer's market in the city of Aktobe Kazakhstan.
2013: Leafs yellowed in planting on North side of building (due to bad compost?). Did not produce seed.
2014: Plants very yellow. Grew poorly. Chopped out.
Collected in Ukraine by the friend of my neighbor.
Leaves yellowed in planting on North side of building due to bad compost. Did not produce seed in 2013.
[Group J], Marbled Purple Stripe.. North Moravia, Czech Republic. Male fertile with high pollen virility. Medium height scape with open spathe and difficult to remove medium-sized bulbils. Early/mid season flowering. Slow scape senescence. Inferred Synonyms: Bogatyr, Marino, Nap's Mystery, Siberian, W6-12839 (Gourmet Red), PI 540334 (Monsanskij), PI 540335 (Americky Maly), PI 615419 (W6 4264)
Purple flowers. Yellow Anthers. Did not produce seed in 2013.
Purple Stripe. No seeds produced in 2013 growing season
Landrace garlic collected from usa suppliers. With the 40% duplication rate of commercial garlic, this amounts to around 15 genetically distinct clones.
Collected 9 seeds in 2014 growing season after dropping seeds into lawn while winnowing.
I have plotted the locations from which some of these garlics came to me in a Google Earth file.
Of my 5 or so varieties of garlic, only two are producing scapes. One variety is badly senescing before it has even properly formed a scape.Would beheading and putting in a jar of water work? or should I dig up the whole plant and suspend it in a jar of water? I was planning on leaving them in the ground and letting them grow out, but these plants now have only green tinges left on a couple of leaves.
Last Edit: Nov 18, 2012 21:45:50 GMT -5 by templeton
Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Nov 18, 2012 19:41:54 GMT -5
In my very limited experience, the scapes that I put in water in a bucket under a shade tree scenesced much slower than the ones still attached to the plant in the open field with full sunlight.
That seems like a clever idea: Digging up the root and all and putting in water. I wonder if a shade cloth or something would help if left in the field. On the other hand... I don't know that fast senescense is necessarily bad. I don't try to slow down the maturity of my radish seeds, or the corn.
On some of my plants, the flower stem stayed green for ages after the leaves had turned brown. On other plants the leaves and flower stem turned brown at about the same time.
Silt/clay, high-altitude, super-arid, sun-drenched, irrigated-desert garden. Cold radiant-cooled nights. ~100 frost free days. Grow most of my own locally adapted landrace seed. GDD10C ~1300. Author of Mother Earth News: Landrace Gardening Blog.
I've picked my scapes, and have them in vases on the kitchen windowsill (another kooky experiment? says Ms T). I got a bit over excited, and dissected one of the swelling heads on the most badly senescing scape - lots of little bulbils, but not even anything that looked like a proto-flower.I've bandaged the scape up with cling film to reduce moisture loss , so will see what eventuates.
Ray, what variety of garlic do you have forming flowers?
Last Edit: Nov 19, 2012 20:13:49 GMT -5 by templeton
T, I have California Late and two other unknown cultivars. One is said to be of Russian origin. I've left 3 or 4 scapes on each of these. I won't cut the scapes, just leave them on the plant to see what eventuates. They are close enough that pollinators will move from one to the other. I also have some leeks flowering with them. These always bring lots of pollinators so some of them should find the garlic.
Ray Silty loam over clay, pH 5.5, altitude 1000m, latitude 30deg south, 150 frost free days.
synergy: I am planning a kind of walk under/mow under grape trellising system too, like the ones you see in Japanese videos so I can mow or run ducks or geese ? assorted mini critters under them .
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synergy: Reed, as long as the top is not too high, just above your head , is it very hard to prune ?
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