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Post by flowerweaver on Feb 2, 2014 19:55:38 GMT -5
According to Wild Garden Seed it gets a small, flattened scarlet turnipy type root that the Japanese use for pickling. I've read somewhere it's been praised by chef Emeril, so I guess it's popular in some restaurant cooking now. They don't really say what it is, but have it listed under Brassica rapa. I'm growing it this year so we'll see.
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Post by trixtrax on Feb 2, 2014 21:03:55 GMT -5
flowerweaver, yeah WGS usually has it... but couldn't find it this year. It's a Frank rescued variety that he reworked for more red coloration.
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Post by trixtrax on Feb 2, 2014 21:06:50 GMT -5
Tim, it likely has the Brassica rapa component crossed back into the boc choi which would lend the turnip root type shape. I made a couple of misspells in that post above... I meant "boc choi (Brassica nigra x Brassica rapa)" not "boc choi (Brassica nigra x Brassica napa)." Whoops
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Post by trixtrax on Feb 2, 2014 21:10:20 GMT -5
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Post by trixtrax on Feb 2, 2014 21:10:47 GMT -5
Tim, we better get turnipy put into Urban Dictionary straight away! ;p
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Post by oxbowfarm on Feb 2, 2014 21:42:32 GMT -5
Well, I may try doing the bud pollination thing with some red Vivid Choi. Holly gave me a lot of seed and some of it is extremely red. What the hell do we have to lose?
The other option would be to go the other directionand pollinate with red cabbage or a red brussels sprout, but getting cabbage to flower when you want them to is a PITA. Plus that would send it more in the olearacea direction and turn it into more of a purple collard thing.
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Post by trixtrax on Feb 3, 2014 1:25:13 GMT -5
According to Tim Peters, B. juncea is difficult to hand pollinate to B. oleracea.
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Post by trixtrax on Feb 3, 2014 1:27:18 GMT -5
Tim, in your cross of Vivid Choi to something - what goals would you like to achieve?
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Post by trixtrax on Feb 3, 2014 1:36:33 GMT -5
Yes, crossing to B. oleracea would make a B. napus, but what about using a redbor kale, another solid red kale, or flowering cabbage with red and crazy kaleidoscopic colors? I could send you a solid red leafed kale, like solidly beet-red kale, that is from some seed Graham sent me. It is from OP crosses between Purple Tree Collards and Daubenton. There is about 25% rate of strong perenniality in the genepool and many more that are less vegetatively perennial after flowering. It is likely this is also perennial but haven't seen it flower yet. In this seed generation, I have several of this type of phenotype so I wouldn't miss one. I will take a picture and post it.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Feb 3, 2014 18:19:22 GMT -5
I'm not particularly interested in crossing Vivid Choi to anything, I am looking for a red leaf Senposai. If you have some napus that is extremely red I'd love to try some. I'd prefer to make a cross in a direction that would result in softer leaf texture than than oleracea tough. I'd also like to work towards bigger,rounder, leaves with either reduced or more flexible mid-ribs and veins if we are going to shoot the moon. My rough understanding from Larkcom is that the Chinese Cabbage and Choi Tribe all Brassica rapa of one flavor or another. But a Google Search results in a dog's breakfast of botanical Latin that indicates to me that there have been too many taxonomists in the kitchen. B. rapa and B. juncea seem equally likely to be attributed to any random asian green as well of a host of other names. My opinion on Vivid Choi, when I handle it, my gut says "funky Chinese Cabbage" vs "funky mustard". My bet is it will bud pollinate with Senposai just dandy if I can get them to flower together. |
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Post by cesarz on Feb 4, 2014 0:53:03 GMT -5
Hi Oxbow,
How about crossing B rapa "Scarlet Ohno" as a base parent, It has red midrib and I have seen them also having fully red leaves. The other parent B oleracea I could suggest will be the Portuguese kales or the Kailaan broccoli for softer/sweeter leaves.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Feb 4, 2014 1:28:19 GMT -5
I guess you could use Scarlet Ohno, I don't personally have any seed for that since I usually use Hidabeni for my red turnip needs. My idea with this project has always been to cross Senposai with something to get a red leaf. If Vivid is a B. rapa then this should be easier to do since Senposai is B. napus and they already have a set of homologous chromosomes. Crossing with B. oleracea is supposed to be more difficult, I'm not sure where I heard or read that, possibly on this very thread? To lazy to go back and look right now.
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Post by trixtrax on Feb 7, 2014 3:44:12 GMT -5
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Post by cesarz on Feb 8, 2014 22:55:36 GMT -5
I believe Scarlet Ohno lends itself well with breeding with oleracea because I have weeds of the cross popping up everywhere in my garden from Scarlet Ohno and a Purple Sprouting broccoli that I let flower at the same time but did not save the seeds of. I got mine from Koanga and they have produced red leafed/red midrib forms.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Feb 9, 2014 7:35:54 GMT -5
Cesarz, can you save some of those hybrids for me?
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