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Post by darwinslair on Oct 20, 2011 7:33:54 GMT -5
Well, theft, trade, whatever. I am glad to have what I do. Also glad that mine is a full month earlier in maturity. Curious how it would compare nutritionally. Taste is fantastic, but like you said, cobs were shorter this year but about 2". Stalks were about 8' tall which is a couple of feet shorter than last year as well. Happy I got a harvest with how crappy the weather was. A 125 day corn would have never matured for me.
Tom
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Post by Blueflint on Oct 21, 2011 10:56:01 GMT -5
My Cherokee White Flour Corn came from the Tuckasegee area of North Carolina and has been grown for many generations by the same family. Once in a while I see an off type and rouge these out but overall it is the most original strain I have seen. The Cherokee usually gets 15' tall for me and many did this year but I also had quite a bit only get 12-13' tall. The ears usually are 11-12" but this year many were in the 8-10" (those were from the shorter stalks too) but many were still 12". The close spacing of the plants this year effected this as the outside rows and plants that had no competition were the normal heigth.
Most strains of the Tuscarora/Seneca/Oneida are 8' or so tall with ears in the 8" range but...I have seen taller strains that average 12' tall with longer ears.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Oct 21, 2011 11:03:37 GMT -5
My Cherokee White Flour Corn came from the Tuckasegee area of North Carolina and has been grown for many generations by the same family. Once in a while I see an off type and rouge these out but overall it is the most original strain I have seen. How are you able to determine that the rouge plants are not part of the heritage of this variety? Have you simply determined that only white flour kernels belong and that every other color and kernel type should be eliminated? |
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Post by Blueflint on Oct 21, 2011 11:39:50 GMT -5
Once in a while a sweet kernel shows up in my stock as does an occasional 4 row ear, these are rouged out. Also each year one or two ears show up that are red striped which IS CORRECT from all historical information that is available. The sweet kernels are not historically correct as there is no information the Cherokee ever grew a sweet corn. Instead, the Cherokee grew a short season flint corn that was eaten as a green corn and specifically grown for that purpose. This was a short season corn ready to eat in 60 days...definitely of a more northern origin and most likely brought with them as they moved south to their southern Appalachian lands.
Blueflint
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Oct 21, 2011 11:51:54 GMT -5
Striped? Like transposon stripes on the kernels?
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Post by Blueflint on Oct 21, 2011 12:10:05 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by DarJones on Oct 21, 2011 14:57:18 GMT -5
just noting for accuracy that the word is "rogue". Joseph is a rogue, but I don't think he is a dishonest, knavish person or a scoundrel.
Biology. a usually inferior organism, especially a plant, varying markedly from the normal.
DarJones
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Oct 21, 2011 15:12:54 GMT -5
I really aught to only use words that are in my vocabulary... From now on I'll weed non-standard plants out of my garden.  That's easier than trying to learn new words at my age. Although, I did recently manage to learn biennial and filament as a part of a flower. |
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Post by 12540dumont on Oct 21, 2011 15:46:57 GMT -5
Joseph can't help it. All those women/wives, that's why he's always into the rouge.
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Post by steev on Oct 21, 2011 18:20:21 GMT -5
What?! They've put him off women?
In any event, if we only used words already in our vocabularies, we'd be lucky to get past "dada" or "mama".
I am reminded of a highschool occurrance. A kid not usually in our track was put in one of my classes for the day. Teach had us reading aloud from something, and the unfamiliar kid was reading a passage which had something on the line of "she came out, all bedraggled". Not knowing the word, he read "bed raggled" to general hilarity. Unfortunately, he was embarassed, but we were really just hormonal adolescents thrilled by such a racy new usage. Tomayto/tomahto.
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Post by DarJones on Oct 21, 2011 21:20:24 GMT -5
I really hate forum nazis who sit around critiquing spelling. The only reason I said anything is because Roguing is a very important concept in plant selection. My youngest daughter wanted a big present for her 16th birthday. A 400,000 word, weighs 15 pounds, if you drop it on your foot bones break, dictionary. She has a very real linguistic ability. Some days I think she is going to insult me and I won't know what she said. Other days I know she just did. Fortunately, I can always say: You have an idiosyncrasy of using grandiloquent histrionics to discountenance us impecunious abecedarians. That usually makes her wrinkle her nose for a few minutes while I escape. DarJones 
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Post by Blueflint on Oct 24, 2011 9:05:10 GMT -5
Here are the red striped ears...  |
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Post by turtleheart on Oct 24, 2011 10:39:39 GMT -5
cherokee (cherokee means "people of a different language" in creek, in cherokee language "people of a different language" is said "tsa la gi", and cherokee people often refer to themselves as "ani yun wiah", the real people. tuscarora can only be a mispronunciation of "skaroora" as some say, or "ska ru ren" as others say (the name translated to english means "people of the hemp dogbane" which is native fiber used for textiles). they came up through the underground railroad to my people's territory due to the privation and lack of federal adherence to treaty, and lack of federal recognition of sovereignty. when the cherokee were taking slaves, the skaroora were being slaved. here is a song by a Tuscarora woman, the beautiful Pura Fe (sorry for the ads, they are terrible): www.dailymotion.com/video/x15da5_pura-fe-rise-up-tuscarora-nation_music#rel-page-4the corn is undoubtedly related. they are both 8 row white flour of considerable length. i have seneca corns that are related to this one, and more geographically distant. |
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Post by turtleheart on Oct 24, 2011 10:53:22 GMT -5
Once in a while a sweet kernel shows up in my stock as does an occasional 4 row ear, these are rouged out. Also each year one or two ears show up that are red striped which IS CORRECT from all historical information that is available. The sweet kernels are not historically correct as there is no information the Cherokee ever grew a sweet corn. Instead, the Cherokee grew a short season flint corn that was eaten as a green corn and specifically grown for that purpose. This was a short season corn ready to eat in 60 days...definitely of a more northern origin and most likely brought with them as they moved south to their southern Appalachian lands. Blueflint sweet kernels are always good incentive to get tested for contamination, but also i would expect them through the years. sweet kernels come from flour varieties, and even old stable ones. im not exactly sure why, but i just separate mine and keep them locked away. still testing GMO negative. (i have never grown a sweet corn myself but i was exposed throughout my childhood.) i have reason to believe that cherokee people had many varieties of sweet corn as it is a common variation and they would have experienced it many times with the level of three sisters propagation they historically developed. today we see alot of cherokee people continuing traditions of gardening and farming, a necessary part of cultural survival. unfortunately over 90% of the original crop varieties were lost and forgotten, so i have no way to prove my theory, but it seems the most probable idea when looking at the history. i would not be surprised if this corn came from the south to the cherokees when they were already in the southeast. cherokee ancestry is not purely algonquin, and the corn from the south would better fit the time line, but i may be wrong. |
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Post by garnetmoth on Oct 24, 2011 11:27:41 GMT -5
Thought that was you Turtle Islander! Hiyas!
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That's easier than trying to learn new words at my age. Although, I did recently manage to learn biennial and filament as a part of a flower. 
