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Post by steev on Jul 27, 2014 23:15:03 GMT -5
Harvested more BST; the Sierra Gold were not as vigorous, but they're also maturing.
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Post by flowerweaver on Aug 23, 2014 18:50:43 GMT -5
Harvested a nice amount from three short rows of my tepary landrace project this week. Being an impenetrable mass they were unscathed by the hail and winds. This is the first time I've ever grown them and I am impressed--will have to find more varieties and devote more space to them next year.
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Post by philagardener on Aug 23, 2014 19:36:27 GMT -5
Holy frijoles, those look great! May be tough to recreate the same growing conditions next year.
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Post by raymondo on Aug 24, 2014 6:20:51 GMT -5
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Post by silverleaf on Aug 27, 2014 21:13:59 GMT -5
Cool! Wikipedia says they grow well in dry conditions - do you think these would grow in the UK for me, or would our rain upset them?
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Post by steev on Aug 27, 2014 23:13:47 GMT -5
I suspect UK conditions would tilt them toward plant, rather than seed, but it's all a learning opportunity.
Given Global Warming projections, your cool, rainy climate may be toast-to-be. Couldn't hurt to be ahead of the crowd.
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Post by silverleaf on Aug 28, 2014 0:59:11 GMT -5
Might be worth an experiment then, perhaps. I've never seen any over here though.
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Post by flowerweaver on Aug 31, 2014 17:18:17 GMT -5
I continue to harvest terpary beans every couple days. There's still some flowering, although production is starting to slow down. silverleaf I suspect you don't see them in the UK because your weather is so opposite their normal growing conditions. Tepary beans need water to germinate but then not so much during their growing season. I've read over-irrigating can kill them. In their natural habitat of the desert southwest they grow in the heat of summer in well-drained washes after summer rains. Timing them to when you might have a dry spell (or being able to control how much rain they receive somehow) in your warmest weather would give them their best shot in your climate. There's nothing for size reference in the photo, but they are very small beans.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Sept 1, 2014 5:25:42 GMT -5
I found tepary beans grew fine here in NY, but I'd avoid putting them in anything other than a fast draining soil. I'd bet clay plus abundant rain would kill them very quickly.
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Post by flowerweaver on Sept 1, 2014 18:56:52 GMT -5
Here's a photo for scale, showing the pods in various stages, and in the upper left a pod that has shattered and curled.
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Post by steev on Sept 1, 2014 22:55:45 GMT -5
I find that some are decent-sized as green shellies, about like many peas and no more mind-numbingly tedious to shell; I think they're most useful as dry beans or sprouts. I've not gotten around to trying their green pods like "green beans".
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Post by DiggingDogFarm on Sept 2, 2014 19:44:47 GMT -5
I found tepary beans grew fine here in NY, but I'd avoid putting them in anything other than a fast draining soil. I'd bet clay plus abundant rain would kill them very quickly. That's interesting....I've been curious about tepary ever since I read "Tepary: the Bean that Laughs at Drought" in the Mother Earth News, July–August 1983 issue....I just never got around to give it a try. ~Martin
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Post by steev on Sept 2, 2014 21:03:24 GMT -5
Can't say I've heard any merriment from my Teparies, but they may not have been sufficiently amused by California's three-year drought, since I've spoiled the party by drip-irrigation, a couple gallons once weekly, barely enough to get some varieties to survive and replace seed. BST has done the best, consistently.
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Post by flowerweaver on Sept 3, 2014 14:57:27 GMT -5
In looking at my mix, I'd have to say BST has been my most productive one, too.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Sept 12, 2014 19:46:34 GMT -5
Just to add another little indicator that Mitla Black is NOT a tepary. In 2013 I grew out some F2 common bean plants from a cross of Brown TroutX Dolloff. The thread on that is found here. I had the F2 plants growing in a small trellis quite a ways away from my main dry bean plantings. About twenty feet away however, I had another small trellis set up that had my Mitla Black/Blue Speckled Tepary trial which is detailed earlier in this thread. I am currently growing out the F3 segregants from the Brown Trout X Dolloff material. I've noticed some of it is beginning to dry down. Walking through the plantings at the end of the row of Bush #1, an extremely different plant with lots of runners and small leaves is growing. It had a good number of dry pods, which are quite different from the rest of the bush plantings. I suspected immediatly it was a Mitla Black outcross. Here is a pic of the three bush segregants along with the original parents. Bush #1 is the seed in the bottom left Here is a pic of the off-type plants beans shelled out. The beans are actually lightly speckled vs pure black, but the only black bean I grew last year was Mitla Black. So once again we have a case of Mitla Black freely crossing with Phaseolus vulgaris beans, and having perfect fertility in the F1. Simplest explanation is that Mitla Black is Phaseolus vulgaris. So this plant is an F1 hybrid (Brown Trout X Dolloff F2) X Mitla Black. I am offering them to anyone first come first served. I've got way more beans to grow out than I can handle, and I personally do not like black beans (not the flavor, but the way they dye all the food you cook them with a dark gray ) They should show a wide segregation for colors in the following generations if Carol Deppe's Resilient-Beefy-Whatever-she-is-calling-it-now is any indication.
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