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Post by blueadzuki on Jun 9, 2012 17:58:49 GMT -5
Blue are you sure that the song is not "High on a hill is a lonely oat herd..."? Cause Leo does a lot of yod el a lay he who when he sings this song. I can't get him to stop now. We're still laughing. Actually, I may have to stop. Some of the grain is finally beinginng to show itself, mostly the wheat. I can see the beard, and a bit of the ear. If I keep singing, the wheat may have no choice buy to twist itself as it tries to stick its beard in it's ears to shut me out. And alas my edible Job's tears did not survive, maybe I sang the wrong songs. I tried "The Grass of my Tears" but they did not like it. It's Chinese material, maybe they would have preferred a bit of Peking Opera; I'll try that next year. Or maybe I won't; everytime I sing that, all the neigborhood cats go crazy. |
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Post by steev on Jun 9, 2012 19:30:27 GMT -5
I noticed today that the bed I grew Einkorn in two years ago has volunteers nearly mature.
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Post by Marches on Jan 1, 2015 19:17:49 GMT -5
I like the taste of Welches purple grape juice, so I'd imagine I'd like Concord, but I've never eaten them in the flesh (not available here). Seigerrebe is good too.
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Post by darrenabbey on Jan 4, 2015 2:20:38 GMT -5
I cant stand the green sour ones that are often oval shaped because of the giberrellins or whatever chemical they spray them with to grow (like grapefruits) without being pollinated. I think i will try and save seeds next time we have them. They don't spray seedless grapes (or grapefruit) to get them to produce fruit without pollination. The plants produce fruit without producing mature seeds. The seeds start developing, but don't mature. The very young seeds can probably be grown using embryo rescue techniques if you're strongly motivated. |
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Post by Marches on Jan 4, 2015 8:00:29 GMT -5
I cant stand the green sour ones that are often oval shaped because of the giberrellins or whatever chemical they spray them with to grow (like grapefruits) without being pollinated. I think i will try and save seeds next time we have them. They don't spray seedless grapes (or grapefruit) to get them to produce fruit without pollination. The plants produce fruit without producing mature seeds. The seeds start developing, but don't mature. The very young seeds can probably be grown using embryo rescue techniques if you're strongly motivated. And degree of seedlessness widely varies. Some are barely noticeable seeds, others have fairly noticeable ones and some can even produce hard, viable seeds in some years. The latter are useful for crossing with another seedless grape to get a cross with two seedless parents without embryo rescue. It's been done with Venus seedless by someone on another board. Out of 50 seeds formed in a year when the variety set them, 2 were viable and grew. Overall these 50 seeds were from many vines, the majority of the fruit was still seedless. |
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Post by darrenabbey on Jan 4, 2015 14:39:33 GMT -5
And degree of seedlessness widely varies. Some are barely noticeable seeds, others have fairly noticeable ones and some can even produce hard, viable seeds in some years. The latter are useful for crossing with another seedless grape to get a cross with two seedless parents without embryo rescue. It's been done with Venus seedless by someone on another board. Out of 50 seeds formed in a year when the variety set them, 2 were viable and grew. Overall these 50 seeds were from many vines, the majority of the fruit was still seedless. Cool to hear. It makes the process much easier, as any home grower can pull it off... though it is still a lot of work. |
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Post by Marches on Jan 5, 2015 15:43:14 GMT -5
And degree of seedlessness widely varies. Some are barely noticeable seeds, others have fairly noticeable ones and some can even produce hard, viable seeds in some years. The latter are useful for crossing with another seedless grape to get a cross with two seedless parents without embryo rescue. It's been done with Venus seedless by someone on another board. Out of 50 seeds formed in a year when the variety set them, 2 were viable and grew. Overall these 50 seeds were from many vines, the majority of the fruit was still seedless. Cool to hear. It makes the process much easier, as any home grower can pull it off... though it is still a lot of work. Well typically crosses with one seedless parent get between 10% and 20% seedless offspring. Presumably with two seedless parents you'd get a much better ratio of seedless offspring to select the best from. |
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Post by reed on Jan 7, 2015 5:35:25 GMT -5
Concord is what always grew around here and still my favorite for flavor. Partly rotten ones are also very good, better flavor than bottled Merlot if you catch them just right. I also have white & red, they all have seeds except the red ones. I wish I paid better attention to names.
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Post by Marches on Jan 28, 2015 17:11:35 GMT -5
I guess my only real experience with seeded grapes was eating what I believe was Concord seeded grapes (purple, slip skinned) off the vine as a child. The juice was sweet and made great grape juice, but the meat was chewy, sour and seeded! Once I tasted seedless grapes that I could enjoy the whole fruit, I never went back to seeded grapes. There are a number of seedless Concord-like grapes such as Mars and Trollhaugen. |
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