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Post by DarJones on Apr 24, 2012 8:01:28 GMT -5
I planted a row of peas for evaluation of blue pod and snow pea combined traits. Here are the first results:
Sugar magnolia - Seed from Holly, have a row about 70 feet long. These peas are a highly diverse population with segregation for a huge number of traits. Roughly half of them are purple pod, the rest are mostly yellow pod and then a few that are green pod. Pod size ranges from medium at 3 inches long down to one plant that has green pods barely 2 inches long. Tendrils range from normal to hypertendril to hyper leaflet where each tendril ends in a small leaflet. I don't like the effects of hypertendril so will probably select against the trait when I start evaluating eating quality. I have a large number of plants to select for desirable traits.
Midnight Snow - No pods yet to evaluate, but these have gorgeous flowers. There is some segregation going on, but not nearly as much as with the Sugar Magnolia.
Biscopens - Only a few plants, these are relatively low vigor compared to the other plants. These appear to be a pure blue/red pod pea. From what I can see, they don't like my climate.
Shiraz - These are a stable variety from Europe. The pods show highly repeatable traits, appear to be edible, but are not quite big enough to evaluate yet.
For comparison, I have Golden Sweet, Yakumo giant snow pea (Yokomo Giant), Mayfair, and a dwarf soup pea. I am first evaluating traits on these peas, then comparing similar traits on the purple pod plants.
DarJones
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Apr 24, 2012 10:27:48 GMT -5
Sugar magnolia - Seed from Holly, have a row about 70 feet long. These peas are a highly diverse population with segregation for a huge number of traits. I am also growing Holly's seed. The crop is currently a couple inches tall. I was just noticing last night how diverse the seeds are. |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Apr 24, 2012 12:46:27 GMT -5
Midnight Snow - No pods yet to evaluate, but these have gorgeous flowers. There is some segregation going on, but not nearly as much as with the Sugar Magnolia. Dar, glad to hear about your peas! Just thought I'd let you know that there were one or two attempted crosses i made last year that i lost track of. If you see some segregation in Midnight Snow, it's entirely possible it was because of me (but hopefully not). Of course, when i grew them out last year i did see a little bit of segregation myself too. I did recover at least one midnight snow which had segregated back out to a green snow pea. If you have any photos please share them when you have time. |
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Post by babyboy on Apr 24, 2012 14:55:11 GMT -5
I grew some Sugar Magnolia last year that I bought from Adaptive Seeds. There certainly is room to stabalize this variety as far as pod colour is concerned.  |
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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 24, 2012 22:38:30 GMT -5
Dar, I noticed last year that they were extremely variable. AMK said he left a lot in there, so that further selection could be made. This one plant at my back door volunteered. Guess where I was cleaning seed? Attachments:
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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 24, 2012 22:44:31 GMT -5
Here's the farm peas this year. Taichung 11 Snow Pea Southland Snow Picton Snow Taichung 13 edible Pod Gigante Svizzero Cascadia Snap Schweizer Riesen Kefe Von Seengen Arbogast Sugar Sugaree Snap I'm looking for the one or two that will take the heat or rain. Attachments:
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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 24, 2012 22:49:04 GMT -5
In the other row, the peas are flowering, and the second group is coming up behind it. I'm doing selection this year for flavor. I disliked two of the peas we've had in previous years. I'm still waffling as to whether I have time to get those soup peas in, or wait till next year. One day it's hot, the next it's normal. Not great weather for peas. IF the weather stays mild, I should have a bumper crop of peas. The Sugar Magnolia was very productive. I saved all the seed from the bottom, so they should be even more so. Attachments:
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Post by templeton on Apr 25, 2012 3:49:11 GMT -5
My F1 hybrids are demonstrating hybrid vigour in no uncertain manner - they have topped 2.5 metres, (8 feet) with no sign of stopping. Since they are now beyond my reach to extend my trellis and in danger of snapping off, would total seed production be diminished if I tip pruned? These are my F1 growouts so i can select from the F2s, so I'm looking for as much seed as I can get from these lovelies. The tallest plants have produced about 11 flowers and pods so far.
And what a great range of peas you've got holly. Do the seeds from the bottom pods produce more vigorous plants?
T
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Post by mybighair on Apr 25, 2012 4:40:53 GMT -5
I grew DR Kapuler's Sugar Magnolia for a number of years and have to say that they were highly stable for pod colour and size, the only real segregation was in the tendrils.
My suspicion would be that you have a mix of the 4 Kapuler varieties, Sugar Magnolia, Magnolia Blossom, Spring Blush, and Opal Creek. Below are the descriptions of the varieties in question from the peace seeds website.
Sugar Magnolia Purple Snap Vine Pea
Vigorous vines with purple flowers and purple 3-4” snap pods of fine flavor. We have two
seed batches for this purple snap vine cultivar. We will pack the hypertendril cultivar first and then when it runs out, we will use a seed stock that has a mixture of tendril types: regular, hypertendril and vetch (no tendrils) and parsley. Unexpectedly, the cross of a Parsley Bush Pea with a Purple Podded Snap Vine Pea generated a hypertendril trait. Hypertendrils are very distinctive, they hold a population of vine peas together, a useful self-supporting characteristic.
Magnolia Blossom Snap Vine Pea
Prolific hypertendril vines exceed 8-10’ with green snap pods some having a purple stripe and biolor purple flowers.
Spring Blush Snap Vine Pea
Vigorous vines to 8-10’ with bicolor purple flowers and green snap pods, most with a pink blush.
This is a hypertendril cultivar.
Opal Creek Yellow Snap Vine Pea
Unique and tasty 3” snap pods on 5-6’ vines with while flowers and remarkably sweet leaves that surround the stems of the vines. The first yellow podded snap cultivar. Has been longstanding and productive in tropical ecologies. Named to commemorate the struggle to preserve our old growth forests.
I've grown all 4 of these varieties, and looking at babyboy photo I'd say "A" is Sugar Magnolia, "B" is Spring Blush, "C" is Magnolia Blossom and "D" is Opal Creek.
It would be interesting to know if those batches of seed come true to type when grown out. If so I'd say Adaptive Seeds is selling the 4 Kapuler varieties under one name. If not, they have somehow become crossed up.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Apr 25, 2012 15:01:37 GMT -5
I think mybighair might be on to something. There shouldn't be any yellow pods in Sugar Magnolia. Perhaps an occasional green, but certainly not yellow.
My peas are just barley starting to germinate and grow now. I got my Sugar Magnolia direct from Peace Seeds and Peace Seedlings. When they are large enough i will let you know how stable my plantings are. The seeds for Sugar Magnolia were not diverse in the packets i got.
...on another note... It appears that one of the peas coming up in my Golden Sweet row has some purplish colour on the stem. I'm hoping one of my purple x yellow crosses from last year was successful. If so, this plant should be an F1 and produce purple pods.
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Post by ottawagardener on Apr 25, 2012 16:30:27 GMT -5
I could use that mix  I grow spring blush: pretty. |
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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 26, 2012 0:48:01 GMT -5
Hypertendrils from last year. Attachments:
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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 26, 2012 0:49:04 GMT -5
I thought the flowers on the Sugar Magnolia to be very pretty. I grew these by themselves. There were no other peas even close by. The other set was 2 gardens away. I did not have yellow peas. Purple, purple/green, and green were all that I got. Mine are from Peace Seeds. Ottawa, PM me if you want some. I still have some left, I was waiting for Dar or Joseph to declare that they need a few more for their pea experiments. I'm very excited about blue pods. I did a lot of purple veges this year. Attachments:
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Post by templeton on Apr 26, 2012 3:17:57 GMT -5
Hypertendrils... hmmmmm... will have to contact my field pea researcher to see if i can get some local germplasm...
T
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Apr 26, 2012 4:37:41 GMT -5
Hypertendrils... hmmmmm... will have to contact my field pea researcher to see if i can get some local germplasm... T When you do they probably wont know what your talking about, so try asking for Semi-leafless peas instead and they might actually know of a few varieties. Kaspa, Moonlight, Yarrum, and Dinkum. www.regional.org.au/au/asa/2001/p/15/shah.htmwww.agric.wa.gov.au/PC_92114.html?s=1001...but now i'm curious to know what tare-leaf peas are...  |
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I grow spring blush: pretty.
