Cold/Heat hardy favas?

[12540dumont]

I usually start planting them next month, but I'm getting a package ready for Joseph, so I'll send some your way too.

[raymondo]

Sept 5, 2012 7:25:49 GMT -5 johninfla said:

Hi Holly,

no favas..... I think you sent us everything else but no favas..... Patty knows them from Peru where they call them habas and eat them like roasted peanuts. I tried once but I think the heat got them.

John

Do they just roast the dried beans John? I'd imagine that the smaller ones might be better for this.

[johninfla]

I'm not sure really how the recipe is done, but you buy them on the street in little plastic bags like the plastic bag tubes you buy peanuts in. She tells me that her mom sometimes will also boil them and serve them with ceviche.

John

[MikeH]

Sept 1, 2012 22:05:22 GMT -5 fliver said:

I am looking for favas I can plant in the fall that will survive our winters. They would need to be hardy to -10degrees F. Any ideas? Or if that won't work, favas that would thrive in 90 degree F heat of summer.

Apparently there are some cold hardy to -9.6°C varieties.

docs.google.com/open?id=0B4z8GE1bbsDjdU1nYVVqbEYyUVk

Sourcing them might be tough but a start would be the email contact in the document:

N. E. Inci Á C. Toker (&)
Department of Field Crops, Faculty of Agriculture,
Akdeniz University, 07070 Antalya, Turkey
e-mail: [e-mail]

[MikeH]

Maybe here - www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/list_post.pl?lopi=&hipi=&lono=&hino=&plantid=&pedigree=&taxon=vicia%20faba&family=&cname=&country=turkey&state=&site=ALL%20-%20All%20Repositories&acimpt=Any%20Status&uniform=Any%20Status&recent=anytime&pyears=1&received=&records=10000

[petitvilaincanard]

I had an excellent winter for selecting winterhardy favas.

In february we had 2 weeks with night temps of between about -8 to -15C without snowcover

From the 300-400 big seeded grex plants no one survived.
from the 200 small seeded favagrex (feveroles) in my other garden 2 plants survived.
But in fact one of these two plant is a cross with a big seeded plant because the beans are not that small at all.These two plants I consider as extrra cold hardy

I was so lucky to have some of my big seeded genepool sent to a region where it was about as cold but with snowcover.
Over there from my big seeded grex 14 of 42 plants were reported to have survived.
The people in the far away location were so friendly (at my demand) to send me a packet with some seeds from every survived plant.

I

So next year I will start a small seeded erxtra cold hardy population from the two survived small/medium beanplants.

And a cold hardy/extra cold hardy population with the extra coldhardy medium sized beans and the cold hardy big sized beans.

With the two populations separated in two gardens a two hundred meters apart.

I also started a rescue population this spring with beans of new origin with excellent result but I think I will restrict to my cold hardy plants at least for the coming year.
Eventually I can share beans from my grexes in 2013(after july)

the two on the left are the feveroles the two in the center are medium sized and on the right are some big sized favabeans

[12540dumont]

Terrific work!

[raymondo]

I wonder if larger seeded varieties are inherently less cold hardy. Good work petitvilaincanard. Where is your garden?

[robertb]

You could be right. The only one which did well for me this year, Wizard, is small seeded. I didn't have much of a crop, but at least I've got some seeds to go on experimenting with!

[petitvilaincanard]

Thanks,
I think the small seeded favas have more genetic diversity,whereas ther big seeded varieties are more selected,that is more inbreeding.Thus more genetic potential. for the small seeded

If coldhardiness is related to small seed...maybe.

I'm in southern france at 500m elevation.

[robertb]

Maybe crossing (which is what I'm doing) may yet produce a really hardy large podded bean. We'll see. I'll try to add one or two more small podded beans to the mix next year; Martock Bean, for instance.

[blueadzuki]

Now I am REALLY sorry I planted (and lost) those two fava beans I found a couple of years ago. If small seed size relates to coldhardyness, those would have grown comfortably in Antartica!

[robertb]

What were they?

[blueadzuki]

Sept 9, 2012 9:44:08 GMT -5 robertb said:

What were they?

No real clue. They were just two truly tiny fava beans I found once in a bag of coriander seed from India. Jet black, and about the size of BB pellets. I did get one of them to grow, but a squirrel ate it off at the base.

[johninfla]

Hi Holly,

thanks for the Favas. They went in the ground yesterday. (In what we call the pig garden---used to be the pig pen....the only garden with a fence all the way around it!) The deer and gophers (turtles) have been so bad this year I didn't dare risk it outside a fence. I'm looking forward to having some "Habas"!

Thanks again,

John