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Post by DarJones on Jan 6, 2013 19:15:00 GMT -5
don't forget "impecunious". I worked hard to fit that word in.
I often think I am just a greenhorn compared to the folks around me.
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Post by Drahkk on Jan 6, 2013 23:24:03 GMT -5
I often think I am just a greenhorn compared to the folks around me. Amen to that. I KNOW I am, especially amongst folks here. But I'm learning. I had tomatoes for supper tonight. They were harvested the last week of September or the first week of October. Joseph, that's not even fair. Your tomatoes were done six weeks before mine, yet while I've been without long enough to start craving the first ripe ones again, you're still eating last years'. I think I need to start paying close attention to this thread... MB |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jan 6, 2013 23:48:36 GMT -5
Don't worry Holly. I've had to search out the meaning of more than a few words that you've posted over the years.
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Post by adamus on Jan 7, 2013 19:50:33 GMT -5
Some are born impecunious, and others have impecuniosness thrust upon them. I've never let it bother me. As my Mum used to say.." Why try to keep up with the Joneses.? It's much easier to drag them down to your level.!"  |
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Post by circumspice on Jan 7, 2013 20:15:43 GMT -5
Some are born impecunious, and others have impecuniosness thrust upon them. I've never let it bother me. As my Mum used to say.." Why try to keep up with the Joneses.? It's much easier to drag them down to your level.!" ;D ;D ;D ROFL!!! |
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Post by steev on Jan 7, 2013 23:28:16 GMT -5
Sniff. I think you've been mis-informed, Holly. As for the vocabulariosinously inclined: most things in plain English require only one syllable to communicate. In short, fuck you if you can't be blunt. (I admit to loving playing with language, especially the polysyllabic stuff, if only because it lends itself (sometimes) to greater precision, although only to those fluent in the idiom being employed). It's tough when your audience doesn't "get" jazz and you just don't play "show tunes".
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Post by DarJones on Jan 23, 2013 16:06:29 GMT -5
Joseph, I have 2 more seed orders on the way that should arrive early next week. I will put together packages of seed to send to you and will mail them sometime next week.
DarJones
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Post by ilex on Jan 27, 2013 9:08:23 GMT -5
I tasted some potato berries this fall. They were OK once they matured enough to turn yellow(ish). I bet there are some long-keeping genes in that section of the Solanaceae. There are plenty of long keeping tomatoes, no need to get the genes from potatoes. Hundreds of varieties intended for winter storage in Spain alone. If properly kept, they can last until following summer, which is up to 9 months. Most are not great for fresh eating as you usually want a hard skin, but superb rubbed on a piece of toast ("pa amb tomaca") or for cooking. Nobody wants to do breeding work with these? There's great potential. |
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Post by ilex on Jan 27, 2013 9:28:26 GMT -5
As for this project I can contribute very few seeds of cuarentena, verdal and negral. Not frost tolerant but selected for cool weather growing. That is, they should set fruit in bad conditions and ripen it with quality.
Cuarentena is from the marmande family, known for good growing in cool conditions (like the famous raf). Old variety for winter planting (seeds started in December-January), fairly early (60 days).
Negral and verdal are intended for a late fall crop, planted in summer and picked mid October- December. As name suggest one is black and the other is green.
All 3 very good flavor and intended for fresh eating.
I am interested in collaborating in this project.
My tomato season virtualy ends with cool, wet weather mid October when already diseased plants say it's enough. That's 6-8 weeks before frost, so a cool/wet tolerant tomato would be a big bonus for me. A tolerant rootstock would also be very interesting.
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Post by atash on Jan 27, 2013 13:24:00 GMT -5
It would be a big bonus for a lot of us, but that's a big order. They're overwhelmingly from warmish, dryish climates. Some are native to outright desert, including L. chilensis native to a rainless climate! It survives on coastal fog, probably either pulling in moisture through its leaves, or getting what it can from what drips off the leaves into the ground. But hey, there's a tomato that can tolerate damp leaves. I bet disease pressure is low, though, in the Atacama. When their leaves are damp in other parts of the world, spores stick.  There's one other wild tomato, an obscure species, that is unusual for growing natively in moist seeps. Solanum habrochaites aka Lycopersicon hirsutum grows right up to frost level and maybe just past, but I dunno if it actually tolerates frost. Tom says its a big, beautiful, vigorous plant. It's got big, showy flowers. I suspect some of his fuzzy-leaves have a bit of it in their background. I've never seen it except in photos; something I grew under that name once was mislabeled. S. peruvianum aka L. peruvianum might tolerate frost; it ranges as far south as southern Peru. S. lycopersicoides is from higher still and further south (down to northern Chile, still the tropics); it almost certainly tolerates frost. But it's up high and dry, not damp. The combination of cool and damp is very un-tomato-like. There's a reason they grow 'em in Italy and California. Wild tomatoes have higher resistance to disease than domesticated tomatoes, so that helps. |
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Post by atash on Jan 27, 2013 13:27:58 GMT -5
Several species might be good for that. They're tougher and longer-lived than their domesticated counterparts. In a coolish-tropical climate you could have continuous production for many months. Even the graft lives longer than it would naturally on its own roots.
Maybe that would work in a greenhouse too at higher latitudes. Dunno.
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Post by cortona on Jan 27, 2013 16:30:53 GMT -5
he man rootstock anyone?i've sowed indoor the seeds i have with low germination at today(3 plants) but i hope to renew the seed stock, thenews i have about it is that it is fuzzy, it grow strong as a footbal player on steroid,and give a greath kick of growt on wathever tomato graft on it!
probably irsutum lineage?
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Post by rowan on Jan 27, 2013 17:06:47 GMT -5
If you're looking for a rootstock for cool climatesand sandy soils that takes tomato grafts very well you can't go past solanum aviculare which is a native Australian species called Kangaroo apple here.
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Post by ilex on Jan 27, 2013 17:33:54 GMT -5
Actually I have very heavy clay and quite alcaline soils (ph 8.5) in a mediterranean climate (think San Diego in US). In general tomatoes grow very well here.
The rootstock idea is to extend the season as I think it ends because of fungus in cool wet weather.
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Post by DarJones on Jan 28, 2013 0:03:16 GMT -5
There is a research paper that covers using rootstocks as a way of extending the growing season. S. Habrochaites was used in that case. It was only moderately successful because the scion shows several cold susceptible traits. I have several lines of S. Habrochaites plus a couple of introgression lines that have been tested for cold tolerance. I am also growing out several S. Lycopersicoides lines.
Tolerance of cool moist conditions is possibly present in S. Chilense, perhaps more so than most of the other wild species.
DarJones
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