|
|
Post by hortusbrambonii on Mar 6, 2013 4:52:31 GMT -5
Bad picture, sorry... Last year I only had 'helda' flat pole beans and some 'cherokee wax' yellow podded beans), but this year I'm going to experiment some more with beans, and I collected some beans from seed swaps and even some from ebay. I'm probably not going to plant all of these, so I ask you people which ones would be the most interesting... (I don't have much seeds of some of those) - "royal burgundy' purple bush bean - french 'haricots vert', unnamed bush type, brown seeds with black spots - french 'haricots vert', unnamed bush type, black seeds - bush drying bean 'october' - bush waxbean 'rodcor', blackseeded - "ratllesnake" pole bean - 'red swan' purple bush bean - "yin-yang" drying bean - "dragon's tongue" bush waxbean - "accidental pole princess", a self-selected strain of green pole princess beans that came up in my 'helda' flat pole beans... (not on the picture are the white seeds of 'helda', purple runner beans and those infamous 'jack beans' of the other thread) Bram - Attachments:
|
|
|
|
Post by raymondo on Mar 6, 2013 5:34:59 GMT -5
I've grown
Royal Burgundy - a good purple podded bean,
Rattlesnake - very well-flavoured pods, my current favourite pole bean
Red Swan - a delightful little plant with pretty flowers and dusky red pods
Yin Yang - excellent as a baked bean, think cassoulet!
Dragon's Tongue - my favourite bush bean. Very tender pods which should be used the day they are picked.
|
|
|
|
Post by 12540dumont on Mar 6, 2013 14:19:28 GMT -5
Bram, Hurray you are on your way to becoming a beaniac.
I have set aside some runner beans for you. They're in the freezer for a few days.
|
|
|
|
Post by galina on Mar 6, 2013 14:58:33 GMT -5
Yes you are definitely on the slippery slope, there are just too many really nice beans. I grow mostly climbing French Beans (tall ph vulgaris) and from your list 'Rattlesnake' are firm favourites. Nice, early, easy to grow and very tasty as green bean. Some grow them for the bean seeds inside, but we love them as green beans. The Yin/Yang are very pretty as you can see from the seeds. They are for eating as shelling beans. You will love them. Good growing! And remember - you have been warned about the attraction of beans ;D A couple of pages you ( and other beanieholics here ) might like: www.abeancollectorswindow.com/bluejay.htmland joogen.bplaced.net/boh/boh.htm |
|
|
|
Post by blueadzuki on Mar 6, 2013 16:16:37 GMT -5
A WIDE selection of the Ricter's offerings incuding
P. vulgaris
'Amernian Giant
Hashuli
Bantu
Grey speckled
Fort portal mixed (maybe, I really only like the look of one of the seeds in the packet I got)
Fort portal Jade (the rodents did a number on that last year so I have left is a few retrived ones that are likey too immature to be viable and one off type (purple, not green) seed (and Richters is sold out) However as this bean and the Bantu are very very similar of seed, I am hoping they are likewise similar of type.
New Mexico cave
P. Coccineus (runner beans)
Ijevan #1 (richters again)
Black Coat (from Oxbow, including some of his white "off type"
Cowpeas/ Yarlongs
unidentified yard long #1 (whitish pods seed a ying yang between white an mottled red
unidentified yard long #2 (very fat very rugose pods, seed white with black eye)
Dolicos aka hyacinth beans
vegetable type #1 (green pods seed may be white or brown when mature (as the vegetable ones were literally extracted from green pods bought as vegetables a lot of the seed wasn't really fully ripe yet so I have no clue what color the mature seed is supposed to be Brown seems probable, based on appearnce of insides of some.
vegetable type #2 Long podded purple seeds
"white" hyacynth beans, Indian type (note actually white per se, but white with a lot of speckling on the backs; an excessive amount for the type (I think the company that was selling this for food had a shortage, and accepted for packaging seed of a much lower quality than the normally do in order to make quota (according to my indian friends, most people cooking the white kind remove any seed with specks or colored hila (the two traits basically go togeter, you can have a seed with a colored hilum and no specks, but not vice versa.) Being grown in the hopes that some of this more heavily colored seed may yeild a pink or bicolored flower, for ornamental purposes.
"white" hyacynth beans, Chinese type- large flatter and whiter than Indian type but with similar color profile. Gowing aims same as Indian.
And an assortment of little dribs and drabs of other seeds I have picked up, both addional ones of some of those species on the lists as well as adzuki beans, mung beans, rice beans, soybeans, chickpeas etc.
|
|
|
|
Post by hortusbrambonii on Mar 7, 2013 5:45:06 GMT -5
Thank you for all the comments...
Those sites are dangerous, indeed...
But there are so much interesting plants in the world that I'm not going for beans only, and I don't have the space to grow 100 varieties of beans (and I have no idea what I would do with all those beans either)
I'm mostly growing P. vulgaris because I don't think mung beans, hyacint beans and azukis would grow here very well. Yardlongs didn't do much either last time I tried them. And my wife has a soy intolerance so growing a northern edamame would be only sadistic...
I thought the rattlesnakes were grown for the dry beans. Good to know that the green pods are edible too.
Is there anyone who can tell me if those yin-yang ('orca'?) thingies will grow as a bush or as a pole bean?
|
|
|
|
Post by raymondo on Mar 7, 2013 6:26:41 GMT -5
My yin-yang are bush and they came to me labelled as Calypso. I do believe there are pole versions too. In fact, I'm pretty sure one of Holly's Italian beans (perhaps Bada Nero?) is a pole yin-yang look-alike.
|
|
|
|
Post by galina on Mar 7, 2013 6:39:42 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by hortusbrambonii on Mar 7, 2013 10:10:25 GMT -5
I got only 6 of those yin-yang things on a seed exchange day, in exchange for some tomatillo seeds, but without much explanation about them, and there was so much seed that I only wondered about them later... I only know they were called 'yin-yang' by the person that gave it to me... I'll assume they are dwarfs and if they grow with runners they get some extra support... This year I'll grow them mainly to get more seeds of them anyway, and to try if they grow over here... holly: I do already have runner beans for this year, also from an exchange, an unnamed race (seems like they always creossbreed and don't come true anyway...) with purple seeds with brown and black spots, don't know what'll come out of them but I suppose it'll be just the usual red-flowered type. Last time I tried them some years ago I had a type that was not ideal to eat as a pod, quite hard and stringy even when really young, so I hope these are better. Or maybe I should just use them as a fresh shelled bean and forget about the pods? How do you use them? (As a kid living in the middle of a small city it was quite an adventure to grow them, I can't even remember if we ate any of it but I liked how fast they grew and the color of the flowers...) |
|
|
|
Post by 12540dumont on Apr 17, 2013 13:39:49 GMT -5
I eat them like any other dry bean, soaked, cooked, spices added and wrapped in a tortilla. Burritos are king here. They are their own food group. www.carolinafarmstewards.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/BeanSeedProductionVer_1pt4.pdfBeaniacs, go read page 6 Lots of good information on how many beans to plant to save. Regarding the Badda Nero, certainly a ying-yang type of bean. However, it's very different flavor wise from the other. Badda Nero is a pole...think rampicante...and you'll know what kind of pole. All 3 beans that Dr. Lioi send me are from Sicily. In particular, the Badda Beans are from Madonie National Park. The come from Polizzi Generosa, Sicily. The beans have been grown for about 2 centuries. It is cultivated exclusively here due to the climate, composition of the soils (volcanic), and water availability. The "Fasola badda" of Polizzi Generosa is sowed two times in the year, the first one in early June and the second in Mid July. The first sowing is for fresh beans, and the second for dry. Fasola badda Beans plants are grow around four rods arranged in the shape of a small hut, named "u pagghiaru". The harvesting of the "fasoli virdi" (fresh beans) begins after 60 days from seeding and can last up to November according to the height above the sea level of the cultivated area, while the beans destined to drying are harvested in October and November. The beans are bicoloured, with colors ranging from ivory with pink or orange stains, or from ivory to dark purple, almost black, stains. |
|
|
|
Post by blueheron on Apr 17, 2013 14:09:46 GMT -5
A WIDE selection of the Ricter's offerings incuding P. vulgaris 'Amernian Giant Hashuli Bantu Grey speckled Fort portal mixed (maybe, I really only like the look of one of the seeds in the packet I got) Fort portal Jade (the rodents did a number on that last year so I have left is a few retrived ones that are likey too immature to be viable and one off type (purple, not green) seed (and Richters is sold out) However as this bean and the Bantu are very very similar of seed, I am hoping they are likewise similar of type. I'm growing Hashuli too, and maybe Tashkent - both from Seedzoo. Hashuli was very productive last year, matching Flagg in vigour and quantity. I'm also growing the Black Russian fava bean again from Heritage Harvest. |
|
|
|
Post by blueadzuki on Apr 17, 2013 15:53:38 GMT -5
A WIDE selection of the Ricter's offerings incuding P. vulgaris 'Amernian Giant Hashuli Bantu Grey speckled Fort portal mixed (maybe, I really only like the look of one of the seeds in the packet I got) Fort portal Jade (the rodents did a number on that last year so I have left is a few retrived ones that are likey too immature to be viable and one off type (purple, not green) seed (and Richters is sold out) However as this bean and the Bantu are very very similar of seed, I am hoping they are likewise similar of type. I'm growing Hashuli too, and maybe Tashkent - both from Seedzoo. Hashuli was very productive last year, matching Flagg in vigour and quantity. I'm also growing the Black Russian fava bean again from Heritage Harvest. Since you are also growing Hashuli (BTW were you as surpised as I was once the seed inbimbed and you found out the black spots were actually magenta?) I was wondering if you also noticed a noticable tendency towards "hard seeds" (seeds that will not imbibe water without actually nicking the seed coat) out of the 9 Hashuli's I planted (one was off type (no spots) so I put it to the side only 3 actually took in water. This isn't a dealbreaker trait (if I needed too I could always simply nick each seedcoat and FORCE imbition) but it is odd for a domestic common bean, most of witch have had high hard seededness long since bred out of them (it also occurs to me that such a trait might make the beans less attractive for cooking, if many are SO hard seeded even boiling doesn't let water in). Let me know how the Tashkent fares for you; it's on my Ricters list for the fall buy (along with most of the rest of the beans they have I didn't get this time around). |
|
|
|
Post by blueheron on Apr 17, 2013 19:47:02 GMT -5
The magenta was surprise to me too! I didn't notice many hard seeds....I boiled about 30 seeds (did this with all the dry varieties) and it had a shorter cooking time than Flagg (was told Flagg was quick, but was probably the longest). I found it flavourful and spicy - that's why I decided to grow it again this year, in larger quantity.
Will definitely update you on Tashkent.
|
|
|
|
Post by blueadzuki on Apr 17, 2013 23:01:31 GMT -5
Forogt to ask this in the last posting, but I assume the Taskent is the regular Taskent (the one with the sort of red mottled white ying yang pattern) not the Taskent Brown and White. Whne I get the info from you on how they did, I'll want to make sure I'm applying it to the right bean!
|
|
|
|
Post by blueheron on Apr 18, 2013 8:39:01 GMT -5
Yes, its the Tashkent bean, not the brown and white one. If I get a good crop, I can send some seeds over to you.
|
|
