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Post by grano on Aug 13, 2013 14:57:32 GMT -5
Does anyone have experience with TYA, which is sold by Native Seeds?
Also, exactly what is meant by the Native Seeds category of "flour/flint"?
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Post by blueadzuki on Aug 13, 2013 15:14:54 GMT -5
Some Southwestern corns are mixed kernel. Some kernels the corn makes will be floury, some will be flinty and some will be in between. I've got a lot of corns like that I've found (most of my northern flours are in fact flour flints)
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Post by grano on Aug 13, 2013 15:30:03 GMT -5
Is that a way of saying that the variety is unstable or heterogeneous or not well-selected? Is there an implication for denting in a flour/flint variety?
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Post by blueadzuki on Aug 13, 2013 16:02:57 GMT -5
To answer the first question, I do not know, since I am not all that well versed in the genetics of what determines flour versus flint versus dent. Sweet is a yes/no affair. There may be different mutations that cause it, but a kernel is either sweet corn or not sweet corn; there's no such thing as a kernel that is part sweet part not (though I do have a couple odd kernels I have accumulated over the years that seem to be sweet on one side of the kernel and flint on the other.) Flour versus flint versus dent however is more along the lines of a spectrum, a kernel can be nearly all hard starch (flint)* pure soft starch (flour) or pretty much anywhere in between. So it's possible it's unstable. Hereogeneous is less likey as then youd expect cobs of all one or the other (the population could be mixed if it was hetero, but not the actual individual cobs. As for "not well selected", well it depends on what you are selecting for. Functionally, assuming you have a wheel that can take flint, grinding a flint flour mixture would not be all that different from grinding a dent; if the starch ratio is the same, the meal you get out should be comparable. And a lot of those variations of flint flour are what I call "cap" corn which is essentially dentless dent. And "shell" corn (mostly soft starch with a thin shell of hard all around the outside) is actually HIGHER in soft than most dents. In fact when I have a choice I tend to think shell types are probably better than dents for some areas, mine for example (the hard starch shell gives it nearly the insect resistance of a flint, with and actual grind almost like a flour. As for the second, the answer is, maybe, but not necessarily. Dent are a specialized form of soft and hard starch mix where the soft reaches all the way to the top of the kernel. As it dries down or is pressed on, the soft starch compresses more, making the dent (that's why a lot of dents don't dent on the butt kernels or if they don't have other kernels pressing on their sides, no pressure, no dent.). If the flour flint has that configuration it might dent, if it doesn't it wont.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Aug 13, 2013 16:10:03 GMT -5
Is that a way of saying that the variety is unstable or heterogeneous or not well-selected? Is there an implication for denting in a flour/flint variety? Native Seed/SEARCH (the primary source of south-west adapted varieties) is notorious for allowing varieties to freely inter-mingle, and at not keeping varieties true to type. It's a great resource for obtaining lots of diverse mystery genetics, but I consider them unreliable at providing named varieties that are consistent with the original description of the variety. In a mixed population of flint/flour/sweet corn, flint/flour kernels show up on sweet corn cobs, and sweet kernels show up on flint/flour cobs. I haven't paid enough attention to notice if flint kernels show up on flour cobs.
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Post by cortona on Aug 20, 2013 6:10:28 GMT -5
yep they show up on the flour corn cobs, i'm tryng to eliminate it in my landrace fluor corn
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Post by grano on Apr 13, 2014 17:52:16 GMT -5
I got some Tarahumara Yellow Apachito from Native Seeds. I didn’t cut any, but most appear to be pure flint, a little larger than common popcorn. About 5% have small floury patches at the top, as in photo. A few have a slight dent. I will be inter-planting this with Nothstine Yellow Dent, another short-season variety. I hope to eventually have a short-season yellow dent, or flinty dent, that can take my arid climate. Attachments:
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Post by grano on May 2, 2014 16:31:35 GMT -5
I only got 65% emergence with the Tarahumara Apachito seeds I bought from Native Seeds this year. Many of them look weak. Right next to them I got 80% with saved Nothstine. Yesterday was already 95°F with 14% RH. Looks like another disappointing year.
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Post by grano on Aug 19, 2014 17:07:36 GMT -5
I got virtually no crop. The reasons aren’t clear, but drought probably played a roll. In case anyone wants to try this variety, here a few details: It’s a flint with floury patches and up to 16 irregular rows. It has fuzzy stalks, and it tillers. It’s about 105 days.
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Post by raymondo on Aug 19, 2014 22:42:30 GMT -5
Bummer! Maybe you'll need to start with a wider range of whatever it is you want so that you at least get something at harvest time.
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Post by grano on Aug 27, 2014 21:24:35 GMT -5
Learned a new word today: allelopathic. I planted the corn seed just a few days after incorporating red clover residue.
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Post by DarJones on Aug 27, 2014 22:44:11 GMT -5
That is as bad as planting tomatoes under a black walnut tree.
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Post by 12540dumont on Aug 28, 2014 13:17:38 GMT -5
I've done this too. Planted a bed of sunflowers and then tried to plant between them. It was murder.
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Post by DarJones on Aug 30, 2014 10:35:52 GMT -5
Holly, Sunflowers to the best of my knowledge are not allelopathic. They are stranglers. Sunflowers grow tall and absorb nutrients from the soil and get all the light leaving other plants strangled. However, I have successfully grown peanuts with sunflowers so long as the sunflowers were spread out far enough. About 10 feet between sunflower plants works.
Allelopathy is when a plant produces a chemical that is toxic to other plants. Black walnuts are notorious for producing juglone which is highly toxic to a multitude of plants including tomatoes and maples. As noted above, clover has been shown to be allelopathic to maize.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Aug 30, 2014 18:00:32 GMT -5
Holly, Sunflowers to the best of my knowledge are not allelopathic. They are stranglers. Sunflowers grow tall and absorb nutrients from the soil and get all the light leaving other plants strangled. I suppose that this would be an appropriate place to offer a tale of woe... Last summer I planted part of a row into sunflowers, then I planted the rest of the row into runner beans. The bean on the end of the row grew up the sunflower and produced well. So this year I planted a row of sunflowers, then 2 months later planted a row of runner beans between the sunflowers. Oops!!! Just like you say, the sunflowers took the nutrients and the beans are little wimpy things. I'll be lucky if any of them produce seed. And of course if I kept a backup copy of the seed there is hardly anything left. So I've lost a year of selection at best, and at worst I get to start over with Runner beans.
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