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Post by bunkie on Oct 31, 2013 10:50:18 GMT -5
In Dar's Southern French Bean Patch, I grew Turkey Craw, Emerite, and Striped Hull Crease Cutshort. These were all good beans. The Emerite had lovely purple flowers and compared most to my standard - the Santa Anna. Yes the other's had strings. The Turkey Craw is a beautiful dry bean. The Creasy was very early compared to the other 2. I had to beat Beth back from picking these as they were for a seed increase. Not for stuffing your own craw with! link Dar's Southern French BeansHolly, I keep getting an "internal server error'? Will see if you posted on your blog. |
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Post by DarJones on Oct 31, 2013 14:49:07 GMT -5
Homegrower, You listed standard canning beans. You would not typically compare them to Appalachian beans which are best for fresh eating, but can be canned. The first three I listed have small but delicious greasy beans on pole type plants. Greasy Back Cornfield can be used in a three sisters type garden. Tobacco Worm and Barnes Mountain are superb eating quality beans with larger pods than the greasy beans.
You just about have to grow them to get an idea how to use them.
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Post by blackox on Oct 31, 2013 15:09:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the suggestions everybody!
paquebot, very good point, I really need to take a longer look at things before I jump to conclusions. Southern Exposure offers both the Cherokee Greasy and the Red-Striped Greasy.
dumont, very nice photos! I like your Santa Anna beans - something about the yellow flowers. Then again I bought golden amaranth, lemondrop pepper, and Ubekski cuke (kiva type) seeds for next year. And this year I had yellow Pineapple tomatoes with marigolds growing in between and some type of yellow sweet pepper growing in the garden. So, I don't know, yellow seems to be taking over my garden!
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Post by 12540dumont on Oct 31, 2013 16:05:25 GMT -5
I have not grown Fortex. I'm a fan of French Filet Beans for early summer and Roma Beans for late summer. I regularly try new beans and use these two as my base. I have not grown Blue Lake in years. My first French Filet, St. Genevieve, blew them right out of the water. I think that Kentucky Wonder and the creasy and some of the Italian Beans that I grow are all very similar. My husband and I used to regularly argue Blue Lake or KW...after all there's only so much room. Now it's Super Marconi or Marvel of Venice? growitalian.com has a 4 bean sampler that gives you S.Anna, Super Marconi and Marvel of Venice, plus Trionfo Violetto. (Note: the Violetto is not as productive in my garden as the Santa Anna.) I suspect having tried Violetto and Grandma Roberts Purple Pole that these "may" be the same bean. Both yummy, both easier to find on the pole that a green bean on a green vine! Neither are as productive as the Gt. Genevieve (bush) or the Santa Anna Pole. I haven't grown Rattlesnake, which I'll blame on some beaniac, who still has to plant Blue Marbut, Tobacco Worm Pole, Mangere Pole, Old Timey, White and Green Pole, Blue Tip and Griggs Black. So many beans...so little time. I did Berner Butter, Strangenbohne Ilanz and Buerre De Roquencourt...all of which were wonderful beans. (Solstice Seed). I have over 90 beans now, that does not include Runners, Vignas, Lunatus, Tepary, Cicers, Lupini, Lentils or Favas! The beans have taken on a life of their own. Joseph, sent me his Coat of Many Color's Beans...aren't they beautiful? How could I resist. And Cortona's Vignas...it's a slippery slope. picasaweb.google.com/107334638896480841204/JosephCortonaSBeans |
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Post by DarJones on Oct 31, 2013 17:48:04 GMT -5
Holly, Trionfo and Grandma Roberts Purple Pole are definitely different beans. Look at the shape and you will see that trionfo is a flatter and wider bean.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Oct 31, 2013 19:11:56 GMT -5
Joseph, sent me his Coat of Many Color's Beans...aren't they beautiful? How could I resist? Holly: What: No Pinto beans? |
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Post by steev on Oct 31, 2013 19:27:45 GMT -5
Lovely jar of Joseph's COMC; particularly the yellow ones.
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Post by 12540dumont on Nov 7, 2013 17:43:04 GMT -5
Okay who was Grandma Roberts? www.rodgersheirlooms.com/beans.html There's a really good photo here of Dar's Grandma Roberts Bean. Which I'm not sure is really Dar's Grandma. In case it is, tell her I'm sorry. I didn't grow Trionfo this year so I couldn't compare them head to head. I guess it was the color and shape of the vine that really got me thinking they might be the same bean. Today I harvested all of the dry beans. Whew, what a beautiful day. Not many fall days like this in November! I'm in a rush to get all the seeds out of the field because rain is predicted for Monday...I'll believe it when I see it. Joseph didn't send me any pintos. Yes, I have pintos in the seed fridge. If I grew out just beans, I'd have enough room for everything. It's that darn corn, squash, cukes, etc. that take up so much room! Not to mention all those tomatoes, tomatillos, celeriac, parsnips, potatoes and greens! What's a beaniac to do? That Turkey Craw is one pretty bean. I'll post a photo when everything gets shelled. |
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Post by DarJones on Nov 7, 2013 18:53:15 GMT -5
Holly, she was indeed my Grandma Roberts. Orphia Idella Meeks Roberts to be exact. She passed away in 1999 leaving a large package of seed beans in her freezer. One of the varieties was in a separate package and the rest were just mixed into a large package about 1/2 gallon in size. I planted and grew the separate pack of beans and got the purple pole bean that I named Grandma Roberts Purple Pole. The only information I have about the bean is that she may have gotten it from a woman named Nelson, probably back in the 1960's. She had grown it quite a few years. One of the other beans in the mixed package turned out to be a tricolor bean which is surprisingly good and productive. It is similar in many ways to Hickman Snap but a rounder bean with a shorter pod. Flavor is equivalent to or better than most blue lake type beans. There is also a deep purple bean that I can only describe as having the most intense purple pigment I have ever seen on a bean. The others are a range of tan and speckled beans that are decent but not spectacular varieties. The only thing that I can tell you about their origin is that Grandma traded seed with neighbors in her area and kept what she liked. She often talked of how good Mccaslan beans were when she was growing up and at one time provided me a package of modern Mccaslan's to grow. If memory serves me correctly, Mccaslan was one of the first stringless snap beans about 100 years ago. www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=59583073DarJones |
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Post by galina on Nov 7, 2013 23:31:44 GMT -5
Now there is a bean that also does exceedingly well in cold summers Britain. Early, productive and very flavourful - the McCaslan bean. Also spelled McCaslin or McCasland. Can thoroughly recommend this one and it 'travels well' too.
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Post by 12540dumont on Nov 10, 2013 15:37:45 GMT -5
Thanks Dar, I'm glad I asked for the whole story  I'm pretty sure if anyone goes through my freezer and finds 100 qt jars of beans and corn, they are going to give them to the food pantry and never think about them again.... |
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Post by DarJones on Nov 10, 2013 15:54:50 GMT -5
Baby food jars are a bit better for long term bean storage IMO. Tall baby food jars will hold enough seed to plant 200 feet of row for most beans. They seal tight enough to store beans for about 10 years max. Note that beans have a "half-life" in storage of about 7 or 8 years. After 10 years, you may only get a handful of plants, but they will grow well enough to produce seed for another round of storage.
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Post by blueadzuki on Nov 11, 2013 7:30:39 GMT -5
Baby food jars are a bit better for long term bean storage IMO. Tall baby food jars will hold enough seed to plant 200 feet of row for most beans. They seal tight enough to store beans for about 10 years max. Note that beans have a "half-life" in storage of about 7 or 8 years. After 10 years, you may only get a handful of plants, but they will grow well enough to produce seed for another round of storage. Sounds sensible. No longer having babies in the house, I tend to use the basically spherical jars from a brand of honey I like (or liked, the store I bought it from stopped carrying it) less easy to stack side by side, but a lot thicker glass (good for someone like me who drops a lot of jars). For smaller quantities I usually use tissue vials of various sizes (available from medical supply houses or the Container Store if you know where to look). |
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Post by blackox on Nov 11, 2013 20:40:34 GMT -5
I use old, large Vlasic pickle jars. Looks like I'm doing good so far.
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Post by homegrower on Apr 26, 2014 14:45:06 GMT -5
I can't seem to find any information on St.Genevieve online for some strange reason.
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I'm pretty sure if anyone goes through my freezer and finds 100 qt jars of beans and corn, they are going to give them to the food pantry and never think about them again....
