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Post by robertb on Jul 16, 2013 13:04:31 GMT -5
Some of mine are still flowering; they got going very late due to the very cold spring. A lot have given up in the heat, but Wizard in particular is still going strong. It did well in the cold and waterlogging last year as well.
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Post by steev on Jul 16, 2013 18:55:22 GMT -5
Cortona's small favas were drying up a month ago, so I picked them, but didn't rip out the plants, which are now sprouting vigorous new stems.
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Post by petitvilaincanard on Aug 25, 2013 10:09:44 GMT -5
ok,it's time do do my posting.I'm not so active due to circumstances of life. These are some of my favas beginning of juin just before I harvested the beans.I finished the plants before maturity beczuse I wanted to free the place to plant peppers.Some pods were very small,but very young you can eat the whole pods.For another part I eated the small beans.This way you can free the place for planting a summercrop.The yield is not big this way,but you eat of it and it works as green manure too.   As often with favas there was an aphidproblem on some plants.Normally aphids are controlled by natural predatorsladybugs and syrphidflies) but in some cases for some unknown reasons they manage to engage their bodyguards that make the the predators inoperational   When the plants are crowded with aphids I always see among many other insects(that are probably attracted by the sugar secreted by the aphids)I always see this little fly that I suspact to be a predator of aphids too,but I don't know how it operates.  A little experiment is toplace a pepperplant in container,crowded with aphids close to a fava crowded with aphids,after a week the pepper is aphid free Another little problem can be this kind of blightish desease.  These are two different kind of pods,the first erect ,the second pending. erct pods are typical for what I call feveroles,the small type of favas,or varieties that are closer to the feveroles like in this case my extra cold resistant. The pending ones are more typical for the commercial varieties with big beans like aquadulce and such,in this case the "dumont/nuts grex"   These are the different populations I grew and want to share this year  From left to right 1)"cote d'or" A typical feverole type,very small beans,many of them black.Somewhere it's claimed to resist at -22°C From the the 30 seeds I got from the seedbank and planted in march,I got only a bit more then 100 seeds.The germinationrate was bad ,probably old seeds,and poor pruduction,as other favas I planted in spring.With fresh seed the germination should be good and Fall planting will probably perform better.I promised Bjargakarlinn(please pm me).but if there are more interested persons I trie to send everyone some 2)extra cold resistant "grex".Progeniture of three survivars from a population of several hundreds(survival rate under 1%) of minima between -10°C and -15°C for 15 days,without snowcover.Very heterogenous from feverole typê to small regular favas,erect pods. 3)"nuts extra cold resistant",progeniture of one of the plants mentioned under 2).Relatively homogenous,small fava beans,erect pods.High production ,not lodging.I recommend strongly for everyone who want to grow autumn planted favas in relatively cold winters.I'd love someone in a region with cold winters to grow them to stabalise the extra cold resistant feature. 4)semi cold resistant "grex" progeniture of 25% survival from -10 to -15 minima for 15 days,but with snowcover. Heterogenous,small to big beans,pods erect or pending.Lodging 5)dumont/nuts grex mostly big beans,pods pending.Lodging 6)Iantos return grex.From Alan Kapuler,probably semi cold resistant Don't hesitate to pm me to ask anything you want |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Aug 25, 2013 15:27:32 GMT -5
petitvilaincanard: Fine work on the favas. They are looking good.
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Post by richardw on Aug 25, 2013 19:45:47 GMT -5
Yes good work,the type i grow which is an old Scottish heirloom is what you call a feveroles.
I think my winters could be cold enough that i could grow you the 'nuts extra cold resistant',temps here get as low as -9Cdeg though this past winter it didn't get below -6,is that cold enough?
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Post by petitvilaincanard on Aug 26, 2013 14:59:12 GMT -5
Yes good work,the type i grow which is an old Scottish heirloom is what you call a feveroles. I think my winters could be cold enough that i could grow you the 'nuts extra cold resistant',temps here get as low as -9Cdeg though this past winter it didn't get below -6,is that cold enough? Probably your winters are comparable to mines.This winter wasn't below -7°, But with an extreme year like the one that 'extra cold restistant'survived,(maybe once in 20 or 30 years),you can expect good survival rates.That means that only once in a wile the rate of the extra cold feature improves. So this fava is potentially adapted for you.I'm a happy man if I can send you some,pm me.It really performs very good for me,cold resistance is probably as good as many feveroles,but with better culinary features than feveroles.I think it's worth trying. What I meant to say that in a climate with colder than yours or mine it will happen more often that you can expect losses because of frost and thus improvement of the extra cold resistant feature.For me and you this is not really necessary. I think that,for exemple, joseph,with his climate can improve in a few years 'nuts extra cold resistant' to 'josephs hyper coldresistant'. |
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Post by richardw on Mar 2, 2014 17:06:22 GMT -5
My favas grow knee high, not like the shoulder high shrubbery in New Zealand. I'm sure thats only that variety Joseph ,i was sent some seed from petitvilaincanard and it only grew 1m tall |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 3, 2014 19:35:01 GMT -5
I planted favas today. Some directly into the garden and some in pots. I'm so out of my element planting beans/peas in pots, but they do so poorly in the summer heat here that I want to try to give them every opportunity to grow during the cooler months. Probably should have planted them weeks ago. I figure that I'll transplant some to the north side of a building hoping that it will moderate the temperatures somewhat. The strains planted were: The Dumont strain. These are second generation seeds that were grown in my garden. I harvested less seed than what went into the ground, but some plants produced nothing, and some produced well, so hopefully this generation will be more adapted. Ianto's return from Adaptive Seed: Vicia faba var. major) Pigeon Beans: Vicia faba var. minor Horse Beans: Vicia faba var. equina  |
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Post by blackox on Mar 3, 2014 19:57:28 GMT -5
How do the pigeon peas do in your climate? It will be very interesting to hear if you haven't planted them already.
Good pics!
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 3, 2014 21:19:22 GMT -5
How do the pigeon peas do in your climate? First time planting pigeon beans and horse beans. |
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Post by benboo on Mar 3, 2014 22:07:59 GMT -5
Is it normal to plant favas and peas while the weather is still so cold? I usually plant peas slightly before last frost date. I have never planted favas though, and I have a few varieties. Can they tolerate being in frozen soil?
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 4, 2014 0:08:37 GMT -5
Is it normal to plant favas and peas while the weather is still so cold? I usually plant peas slightly before last frost date. I have never planted favas though, and I have a few varieties. Can they tolerate being in frozen soil? Favas and peas are both cool weather crops. Favas are typically planted in the fall. I haven't tried that because my winter lows are lower than favas are said to tolerate. If I ever get enough locally-adapted seed to play genetic roulette I will attempt fall plantings, because sometimes I have a mild winter. I typically plant peas within a day of two of the melting of the winter snowcover. (Planted into soil prepared in the fall.) I plant some varieties of peas in the fall. They overwinter as small plants. My last frost date corresponds with the change of seasons from cold/rainy to hot/dry. If I waited until then to plant peas it would be too hot to get a harvest. The traditional day to plant peas in much of the usa is on St Patrick's Day. |
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Post by YoungAllotmenteer on Mar 4, 2014 3:02:22 GMT -5
I hope to plant my bulk Favas this coming weekend, I just need to buy the seed!
My volunteer Favas in the garden (3 plants I think!, should be dark beans) are flowering merrily, although we had a bit of a frost this morning but I don't think that will hurt them too bad. I have also ordered Ianto's Return from Adaptive seeds and plan to select out the red/purple/black for my garden grex and use the green for my allotment.
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Post by richardw on Mar 4, 2014 4:07:45 GMT -5
That photo you posted Joseph,i was sent some Fava seed from petitvilaincanard named 'nuts extra cold resistant',i'm doing a winter grow out for him,the seed looks so much like those horse beans in the photo and nothing like the large seeds which i normally grow,those been the shoulder high fava's that you seem to be quite impressed with.
So i'm wondering if that's in fact that nuts extra cold resistant is Vicia faba var. equina because it certainly was a smaller plant to what i'm used to in a fava
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Post by robertb on Mar 4, 2014 5:50:30 GMT -5
I find the small seeded varieties do better than the large on my plot, probably because of the waterlogging. he small seeded ones seem to be tougher. It remains to be seen what difference raised beds make. I'm not planting yet becaue I need to make a couple more beds for them.
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