I feel this is the right place to post comments and photos:
In short, I am in zone 9, with mild "humid" winters (if they follow the rules, which don't do often). The important part is that carrots grow all winter, and do better fall to spring. Soil is clay with 8.4 pH, so hard as a rock were it has not been cultivated.
I want vigorous carrots that grow well under my conditions and my way of growing them. They can be of any color other than white (QAL common here), and they can't be long. I want late bolters, as I'm known to sometimes sow late.
Last year I started with a mass cross of all OP varieties I could find, this year I'm adding more new varieties and colors to the population. My idea was to get lots of volunteers, but fall rain didn't appear, so I keep waiting.
One interesting thing I notice, is that I don't get deep orange carrots.
Purples, 2 local from Spain and Black Turkish in the middle:
Black Turkish makes very big leaves, and very small skiny roots with woody core. I'm not impressed with the flavour either. The 2 Spanish purples grow and taste much better for me. The lavender one has some roots with fairly good shape. It's mostly used for pickling, and for fresh use when not very big.
This one is very clever, when it can't go down, it goes up, common in this variety:
These deep purple carrots came from the Far East in the 10th century. They are very rare, I only know one location were they are sold comercially. All the others are kept for personal use. They are usually planted late summer, early fall.
I've located 3 more deep purples from Spain (2 with yellow/orange core), they will get included in next late summer planting.
Post by 12540dumont on Mar 18, 2014 0:02:44 GMT -5
Ilex, the Turkish carrots here are much the same. Very woody, but they have volunteered in my garden for 3 seasons since I did the carrot trial. For this reason, I think they have some important genetics. I'll get that package put together of the many carrot seeds. Can you do me a favor and PM you address? I had it here on an envelope and used it to mail something to someone else.
Ilex, I can send you some of my crossed up coloured carrot seed too, if you like. Mass cross of Baby, French round, lavender coloured F1s from my last season. Might be a few white genes in there too. pm me your address if interested. T
Post by 12540dumont on Mar 20, 2014 18:31:11 GMT -5
Hey Fredzy, look what I found. It's a lacto fermented carrot recipe! ŞALGAM SUYU
2 kg bulgur flour (this is the finest dust that is left after bulgur is milled and graded. You can grind regular bulgur to make it) 13 lt water 200 gr sourdough starter 2 kg red carrots (Turkish Black Carrots) 200 gr kosher salt 300 gr turnips 2 lt şalgam (you will have to buy some for your first batch)
Mix all the bulgur flour with the starter and 50 gr salt. Add enough water to make a dough, let ferment. This takes 3-5 days at room temperature. During the fermentation the dough will rise, and eventually cracks will begin to appear in the surface. This is the time to stop the fermentation. Put the dough into another container, add four parts water to the 1 part of dough, and stir 5-10 minutes. At the end, the pieces that don't dissolve will settle to the bottom. Pour off the liquid above and pour into another container. Do this three times, but the second and third time, add one part per thousand salt. I.e. during the second and third settling you will add 10 parts per thousand of salt. Then the liquid is poured off once more, leaving any sediment. To this liquid, add the sliced carrots and turnips, and the previously-made şalgam, and leave to ferment for 7 days at 25 C. Strain the red liquid into another container, leaving the vegetables and sediment behind. Store in the refrigerator.
Not: • If you can't find sourdough starter, you can allow bulgur to sit in water overnight - 2 kg bulgure and 3 lt water.
• In cold weather, for a different flavor, place the carrot in water and bring to a boil once before adding to the rest of the liquid. • If possible, it is recommended to make şalgam in a wooden barrel.
Now, the trick here would be finding a Turkish shop, I've got Indian, Mexican, Russian, Japanese, Korean and Chinese.
Although I'm not going to make this, I'm going to make the carrot/ginger ferment.
Ha, ha! I'm missing a number of ingredients there, Holly. In particular, no şalgam, no wooden barrel, no sourdough starter, and no nerve. I think I would prefer to go back to Turkey and find someone who serves it!
Post by 12540dumont on Mar 20, 2014 21:21:40 GMT -5
I have a suitcase...I can be ready in an hour. (no wait, oh yeah, I have a farm with animals and responsibilities, I guess I'm staying home. Phooey, bring seeds when you come!) Leo says if you do the Camino, forget the farm, he wants to go.
I can send you sour dough starter, but the Salgam, I haven't found it yet.
Everyone wants you to start it in a barrel. From my experience with fermented foods, NOTHING BEATS a nice Italian Jar..Fido Bale top! Easy to clean and sterilize and easy to switch between sauerkraut, kimchi & squunk water (aka Kefir).
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