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Post by richardw on Oct 22, 2015 12:47:21 GMT -5
Ive just sown Cherokee Trail of Tears which ive not grown before, how well did they produce for you
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Post by oldmobie on Oct 22, 2015 14:11:22 GMT -5
Ive just sown Cherokee Trail of Tears which ive not grown before, how well did they produce for you I can't say for sure. I planted Joseph's all over, with Reed's pole beans at the corners, to grow up posts. I haven't picked the whole thing yet. I did just go back and pick a few pods from each corner. None of them had black seeds. I'll hopefully know more after I finish picking. Even if they did poorly for me, don't let it discourage you. I planted in a heavy clay bed that had never been used before, then neglected it. The bermuda grass in there's about ready to bail. In a proper garden, bet they'll do well. I have a bunch of beans left to pick, maybe they did well for me. |
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Post by philagardener on Oct 22, 2015 17:30:32 GMT -5
Cherokee Trail of Tears was one tough bean and a great producer for me. I bet it has been doing fine in there somewhere.
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Post by reed on Oct 22, 2015 20:02:10 GMT -5
If the black ones are from a pole plant they are probably CT of T. The bottom right looks like probably Rattlesnake, can't say for sure the picture is a little fuzzy. Rattlesnake pods do generally have some purple steaks. I never knew there were bush Anasazi. They look just like my pole Anasazi.
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Post by oldmobie on Oct 22, 2015 20:53:39 GMT -5
If the black ones are from a pole plant they are probably CT of T. The bottom right looks like probably Rattlesnake, can't say for sure the picture is a little fuzzy. Rattlesnake pods do generally have some purple steaks. I never knew there were bush Anasazi. They look just like my pole Anasazi. Sorry, to make it more clear, I planted Joseph's landrace everywhere BUT the corners, layed out on a grid like square foot gardening. This was under a swingset, so there was a post next to each corner "square". In each of THOSE squares I planted 9 pole beans. One square with CToT, one with Anasazi, one with Rattlesnake you sent me, and the last with Rattlesnake I'd saved from the previous year. With the exception of the last square, all of those pole bean seeds came from you. Unfortunately, that's all I recorded, but not which bean was planted at which pole. To complicate things a bit more, Joseph selects for bush habit, but the genes for vining aren't completely gone yet. For me, they tend to vine 2 or 3 feet. If they encounter anything, they wrap around it and climb. (Sorta) I now think that's a factor. Yesterday we just picked from the South-east post, except for the one handful my son picked from the South-west. (The South-west's where the Anasazi came from.) The three types in the picture came from the South-east, along with pink ones and some that looked like pintos. The black ones probably were CToT, the brown speckled probably from Joseph. I went out today to find out how CToT did for me. I gathered a few pods from each of the remaining 3 posts. No black seeds. But several more of the brown speckled. If those black ones WERE the CToT, they did quite well for me. |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Oct 22, 2015 21:09:42 GMT -5
I finally got that red/white bean with the longish vines eliminated this year... I finished harvesting the pole-like beans today and tilled the field just before dark. They are going to be used as food. The red/white beans is rather productive, but it was just too much vine!
Zuni Gold was another bean that I was loathe to eliminate... I found a few of those today as well.
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Post by oldmobie on Oct 22, 2015 22:12:08 GMT -5
I finally got that red/white bean with the longish vines eliminated this year... I finished harvesting the pole-like beans today and tilled the field just before dark. They are going to be used as food. The red/white beans is rather productive, but it was just too much vine! I like pole beans in my garden, but at the scale of your operation, I can understand that providing supports is a headache you don't need. |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Oct 22, 2015 23:00:21 GMT -5
I can grow pole beans sprawling on the ground, and they do fine that way... It's the threshing that causes me problems... That, and pole beans are indeterminate, so this year they didn't stop growing until I pulled them a week ago. And it's been so cold, that they still weren't dry enough to fully harvest. I took what would thresh easily, and left the rest in the field. There was a pole-bean in the Oxbowfarm hybrid clade which seems like the most productive bean I have ever grown. I felt bad about threshing it into a garbage can with all the other food beans.
I have one more bean that I'm being wishy washy about. It's the classic bush bean with 2.5 foot long tendrils. The beans were located close to the base, and there weren't beans on the tendrils. It was very productive, and determinate... But I just can't stretch the definition of bush-like to include it. So I kept a bottle of pure seed, but I didn't include it in the mixed seed for sharing.
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Post by reed on Oct 23, 2015 6:09:46 GMT -5
I used to mostly just have bush beans to can for green but when I wanted to try saving more dry beans they just didn't work out well. Only thing I might miss is early bush beans can be harvested green and the garden spot used again for another crop. Pole beans occupy it for the whole season.
[add] A mistake I'v consistently made with pole beans is planting them too thick and close together. I think I can get better production with bigger pods and they are certainly easier to pick if they have a little more room. I'd say 8 to 10 inches apart is probably a good spacing, rather than the 3 or 4 I'v done in the past. One time a single greasy bean vine escaped to the grape arbor and growing horizontally made a huge amount of beans.
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Post by oldmobie on Nov 1, 2015 16:59:02 GMT -5
 I think the oaxacan corn is finally trying to form an ear! Based on average first frost date, we're overdue. I can probably make a greenhouse/ tent thing and keep off light frost. I don't understand growing degree days very well. What are the odds of developing viable seed before hard frost? |
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Post by oldmobie on Nov 20, 2015 12:51:09 GMT -5
Pulled up a turnip yesterday to feed my goat. Remembered my wife likes an occasional turnip, so I offered it to her. She cut it up and smelled radish! I guess one of the crosses took! Maybe [Frech Breakfast x Groundhog]?   I wish now that we had let it go to seed. It was pretty bland and tasteless. It could have done with another back cross to something flavorful. But at least we can hopefully look forward to high diversity in spring! |
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Post by philagardener on Nov 20, 2015 18:13:54 GMT -5
Interesting! If you still have the top, you might be able to get that to grow (like kids start the tops of carrots in elementary school). However, it also is likely that there are others in the row!
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Post by oldmobie on Mar 15, 2016 20:46:23 GMT -5
Tired of wasting old plant material that "looks messy" in the garden, only to buy mulch, compost and fertilizer to replace it with, I tried something new today. I'm calling it bean straw. We stripped the old pole bean vines from the trellis and stuffed them into a plastic barrel. Then I chopped 'em up with an electric weed-eater. I'm surprised at how small they got, but it made some mulch. I'd like to think I rescued and used some nitrogen in the process, but they were very brown.   |
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Post by steev on Mar 15, 2016 23:38:19 GMT -5
Yes, very brown, but welcome to the Dark (Composty) Side; you get some green waste on that, it's all good (pee on it); what else would you do? Send your garden waste to a municipal green-waste facility (from which you could buy it for fertilizer?); flush your nitrogenous waste to a municipal processing facility, from which it can't be reclaimed? Local production, local use; that's the ticket.
Live long and prosper!
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Post by oldmobie on Mar 15, 2016 23:53:40 GMT -5
"Nanoo, nanoo!"  |
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