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Post by kyredneck on Feb 5, 2015 9:23:37 GMT -5
Are you the one that gave me 'Brown Greasy Bean' at the swap? It's small, brown speckled like a pinto or Missiouri Wonder. I wished I knew more about it's growth habit before planting it.
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Post by reed on Feb 5, 2015 10:31:22 GMT -5
kyredneck, I gave you some Ideal Market, also a wonderful bean but don't remember giving you any of these, might have. Your description sounds like it. It grows very large vines, if it escapes to the fence it will run horizontally for a long way, I don't know its limit but easily 20 feet. Beans come on in bunches and picked small are great green beans but they do have strings. I sent some to Bill Best a couple years ago, I figured they were just the same as some he already had but he said they were different. The white ones he sent me seem to grow and taste very similar.
I would love some Kwintus and Missouri Wonder. I can send you some of these greasys if you want and some white ones too. Do you have any Speckled Cranberry? Great big beans take forever to cook dry but if you can them as shellys with some hot pepper and garlic they are great chili beans.
correction -- I gave you Cherokee Trail of Tears, Ideal Market is similar only less strings and we like them a little better. Can send some of them too if you want.
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Post by kyredneck on Feb 5, 2015 11:18:39 GMT -5
Someone gave me these at the swap; do they look like your beans? Your hand writing maybe?:
I'll PM you shortly, yes I do want to trade. 
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Post by reed on Feb 6, 2015 17:43:02 GMT -5
kyredneck, those look like my seeds but that definitely isn't my writing. There must be a lot of variation in these beans that you can't really tell in a picture. If anything those might be a little bigger than the ones I have but still, look a lot alike. I wonder if they all grow like the ones I have, like I said the white ones Bill gave me seem to.
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Post by reed on Feb 6, 2015 17:56:20 GMT -5
oldmobie, Like I said before, pole beans is the way to go at least in my opinion. What are you after, green beans or dry? Strings or string-less? Let me know, I can fix you up.
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Post by oldmobie on Feb 6, 2015 20:43:11 GMT -5
oldmobie, Like I said before, pole beans is the way to go at least in my opinion. What are you after, green beans or dry? Strings or string-less? Let me know, I can fix you up. I havea trellis or arbor that I try to cover with pole beans. It's about 16' long, maybe 20', I forget. It's about 4' wide, spanning a sidewalk, so I plant a row on each side. I'd like that to be my green bean area. Dual purpose beans that can be shelled when mature are fine. I prefer stringless, but I'm ok with beans that get strings only when mature. I guess all that is to say I'm not picky, so long as the beans are tasty and productive. The perfect bean (which may not exist) would taste great, cover my trellis, produce more than we can use fresh (so that we give away or can/ freeze), produce all season long, and have a distinctive look. (My boys and I are big fans of Trionfo Violetto and Rattlesnake just because they look cool, even though they cook up green.) The more of those traits a bean has, the better it is. Toward that end, I've gotten some "yard-longs" for this year. I also have my eye out for Goose Bean, Fortex, and (I think) Grey Greasy? because they seem very prolific. All that said, what do you advise? Do you have trading in mind? (There's a link to my swap list in my signature.) |
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Post by kyredneck on Feb 7, 2015 10:02:41 GMT -5
oldmobie if you're not concerned with cross pollination you could grow more than one variety on that much arbor. I would certainly include Fortex, though not that productive it bears till frost, is certainly flavorful, stringless, delicious raw, and unique in the length that it grows, 12-14" while never becoming tough; good freezer, not so good canner.
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Post by kyredneck on Feb 7, 2015 10:16:16 GMT -5
kyredneck, I gave you some Ideal Market, also a wonderful bean but don't remember giving you any of these, might have. Your description sounds like it. It grows very large vines, if it escapes to the fence it will run horizontally for a long way, I don't know its limit but easily 20 feet. Beans come on in bunches and picked small are great green beans but they do have strings. I sent some to Bill Best a couple years ago, I figured they were just the same as some he already had but he said they were different. The white ones he sent me seem to grow and taste very similar. I would love some Kwintus and Missouri Wonder. I can send you some of these greasys if you want and some white ones too. Do you have any Speckled Cranberry? Great big beans take forever to cook dry but if you can them as shellys with some hot pepper and garlic they are great chili beans. correction -- I gave you Cherokee Trail of Tears, Ideal Market is similar only less strings and we like them a little better. Can send some of them too if you want. Do you know what Bill Best called the white one he sent you? Is it a greasy cut short?
Sure we'll trade, I'm interested in your brown greasy, white bean, and Ideal Market. I bought a 150' roll of remesh and intend on making several 8-10' towers and grow out several bean varieties this year.
Sending you a PM.
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Post by reed on Feb 8, 2015 5:41:31 GMT -5
kyredneck, Sorry, I don't remember which of the white ones Bill gave me but I think they are a cut short. I am growing out a bunch of different ones this year too. Looked up that remesh stuff, might be easier than the way I do it. oldmobie, I got lots of Rattlesnake, I'm sorting through it all cause I found some interesting off types. They are much more red colored than Rattlesnake should be, and I'm picking them out to grow separate. Also got lots of brown greasy, not gray, very productive little bean but does have strings unless picked tiny. I don't know how Ideal Market is as a dry bean but they fit your needs other ways, very few strings until they get bigger. They get some purple streaking but not as much as Rattlesnake. Or I could send a few of several different kinds. I would like to have some of your sunflowers (there weren't any pollen-less ones included were there?) don't want that trait in my mix. I'll PM you later. O' if I understand it right your trellis is 4' wide, do you mean 4' tall? You need taller than that. If you have 16 linear feet by 8' high you can grow a lot of beans, enough to eat fresh, can some and save seeds.
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Post by oldmobie on Feb 8, 2015 10:29:45 GMT -5
oldmobie, I got lots of Rattlesnake, I'm sorting through it all cause I found some interesting off types. They are much more red colored than Rattlesnake should be, and I'm picking them out to grow separate. Also got lots of brown greasy, not gray, very productive little bean but does have strings unless picked tiny. I don't know how Ideal Market is as a dry bean but they fit your needs other ways, very few strings until they get bigger. They get some purple streaking but not as much as Rattlesnake. Or I could send a few of several different kinds. I would like to have some of your sunflowers (there weren't any pollen-less ones included were there?) don't want that trait in my mix. I'll PM you later. O' if I understand it right your trellis is 4' wide, do you mean 4' tall? You need taller than that. If you have 16 linear feet by 8' high you can grow a lot of beans, enough to eat fresh, can some and save seeds.  This should help clarify. Four cattle panels on end, bent double, the ends 4'- 4 1/2' apart. (To keep the sidewalk from being wasted space.) Around 8' tall. My sunflowers haven't even been examined for CMS, so I don't know if they all have pollen. I'll have to screen for it in the future. Most of the seeds were just bought last year, so I couldn't know what had pollen until they grew up. I should have checked and culled anything pollenless before saving the seeds, but didn't get it done. I'd still trade, but understand if these seeds won't work for you. Let me know if you want any, or if I have something else you'd like. |
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Post by reed on Feb 9, 2015 5:18:57 GMT -5
Wow, you should be able to grow quite a few beans on that. I'll make you up a sample pack of several kinds. Brown greasy, white greasy, Rattlesnake, Cherokee Trail of Tears, Ideal Market and some others. You can experiment and see which ones you like. PM your address and I'll gets some out to you. I see you are looking for corn, I can throw in a little of that too if you want.
I haven't planted sun flowers for several years or even saved seeds, I just transplant the ones that come up each spring so very important to keep out the CMS thing. I didn't even know what that was till reading here on the forum and then I saw those in the garden books advertised as pollen-less and put two and two together so I'll pass on the sun flowers. Some of your watermelons sound interesting, I could plant them with some Joseph sent me.
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Post by iva on Feb 9, 2015 5:39:05 GMT -5
Please, could anyone tell me what sets greasy beans apart from 'ordinary' beans? Why are they called greasy? It it because of the seeds or the pods?
And what does cut short mean?
I'm sorry for these questions, I'm new to beans as I only used to grow bush beans to use as green pods, but I'm trying more variety this year and am eager to learn more...
Thanks in advance...
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Post by philagardener on Feb 9, 2015 6:43:17 GMT -5
Hi iva ! Greasy beans lack hairs on the outside of the pods, so the pods look slick and shiny ("greasy"). Cut-short beans pack tightly in the pod as they grow. The ends of each seed are compressed so they are blunt-ended ("cut-short") compared to normal bean seeds. And yes, there also are greasy, cut-short beans that have both characteristics. These beans are highly valued in Appalachia (US) and have been passed down in families for generations. |
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Post by reed on Feb 9, 2015 9:42:30 GMT -5
AND they taste yummy, as fresh green beans and as dry soup beans! AND they pop open real easy when dry, just shove em in sack and whack em around a little, poof, they're shelled.
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Post by kyredneck on Feb 10, 2015 8:46:17 GMT -5
Please, could anyone tell me what sets greasy beans apart from 'ordinary' beans? Why are they called greasy? It it because of the seeds or the pods? And what does cut short mean? I'm sorry for these questions, I'm new to beans as I only used to grow bush beans to use as green pods, but I'm trying more variety this year and am eager to learn more... Thanks in advance...
Everything reed wrote is spot on. Two things about these 'Appalachian heirlooms' that are definitive to me is their rich flavor and the tenderness of the pods to the very end, even when yellow. I'll quote the expert on Appalachian beans, Bill Best:
"Cut-Short Beans-A type of bean where the seeds outgrow the hulls and lock the developing seeds against one another. This makes them appear square, rectangular, triangular, or even trapezoidal in form. Cut-shorts are in high demand by traditional growers because of their high protein content. They are sometimes called bust-out beans because the dried hulls will often split apart vigorously after the bean pods have dried out and then become wet again by rain or even a heavy dew. This is nature's way of scattering seeds for the upcoming season.
Full Beans-This is a term used to describe a bean where the seed is fully mature within the hull and the bean is ready to harvest. Heirloom beans are traditionally harvested at the full stage whether they are to be used fresh, canned, pickled or making leather britches.
[..Appalachians [beans], are typically harvested at the “full” stage, that is when the seeds within the hulls have reached near full maturity. We of the Southern Appalachians have depended on our beans to be a protein food, one that “sticks to one’s ribs”.
www.heirlooms.org/planting-growing-and-saving-seeds.html ]
Greasy Beans-A name given to many heirloom bean varieties when the pods are slick and without the tight-knit fuzz of other beans. The slickness makes them appear to be greasy. Greasy beans are widely thought to be the highest quality beans and are by far the highest priced, bringing two to ten times as much as other beans. Most greasy bean varieties are found in Western North Carolina and Eastern Kentucky but are spreading rapidly to other areas through farmers' markets and heirloom seed outlets. Greasy cut-shorts are in very high demand.
www.heirlooms.org/bean-terminology.html
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