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Post by zeedman on Apr 2, 2016 23:09:28 GMT -5
Golderbse has a golden color right after harvest (hence the name), although granted, the seed in the photo is 2 years old. Cracking open samples of all of my peas (see what you made me do :-), this was the only variety with an orange interior. I'd be happy to send a sample if you think it might be useful in your project.
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Post by blueadzuki on Apr 3, 2016 0:41:01 GMT -5
Not right now. The squirrels already took out my peas for this year (bye bye Piselle d'Ago) and I have a nagging suspicion that any peas I plant this year will suffer the same fate. Plus given the way our weather works, anything but the absolute fastest peas (like my 30-45 day minis) will conk out in the heat before making mature seeds.
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Post by zeedman on Apr 3, 2016 21:58:16 GMT -5
Plus given the way our weather works, anything but the absolute fastest peas (like my 30-45 day minis) will conk out in the heat before making mature seeds. That surprises me. Your climate is not, I believe, that different than mine... and I can usually plant peas right up to the first week of June, and still get dry seed. Last year one of my soup peas was planted June 6th, and still had a good harvest. I try to plant late peas in the 1/2 day shadow of taller crops (usually pole beans) which seems to help. |
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Post by blueadzuki on Apr 4, 2016 5:53:29 GMT -5
There was a time when it did work (or would have worked, if we planted peas back then). But now our transition from winter to summer is too jagged for most cool season crops to have much of a chance. A couple weeks of sweltering summer heat still kills cool weather stuff even if the temperature then drops back down. Three days ago it was so hot I wanted to put on shorts. Today it's snowing, and it'll keep doing that until almost June (when it will settle into consistently hot). Even on years when they make it, I can only count on maybe the first three or four pods of each plant (assuming they all flower at the same time) of making it to mature seed. Plus, usually if the peas go in after around March all I get is leaves, no flowers.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Apr 4, 2016 14:53:25 GMT -5
I decided to try and request some even though i don't know if its a trait i'd be interested in or not or if i have any room left to plant it this season. But here is the reply i got. I guess i'll go ahead and ask for him to send any or all of the european varieties he mentions and plan to share half of it with you?
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Mar 19, 2017 23:55:37 GMT -5
Here's hoping you get a good crop from the seed i shared with you. Tell us how they do and if they live up to your expectations. Since i had seed as well i planted some too. Mostly as a curiosity, but hey, if these have the potential to be more nutritious then hey i will keep them around and maybe breed them to other peas as well.
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Post by blueadzuki on Mar 22, 2017 22:46:51 GMT -5
Not to muddy the waters even more (or, I suppose actually start a whole new type hunt.) But a few days ago, something occurred to me.
I was prepping some seed for some vetches I was planning to try out for identification purposes and note that many of them have the orc gene as well. Actually since a lot of those are probably V.sativa sections, the correct wording would probably be they have been BRED to have orc gene expression. Not a particularly important trait if all you want out of your vetches is green manure (beta carotene presumably degrades as the plant decomposes) but a good one for a vetch being used as fodder (I think*)
Anyhow, while doing this something occurred to me. Vetches have the orc gene. Fava beans are technically a vetch. So, somewhere out there, there may be favas with orange cots as well, with, again all of the commensurate nutrition factors. So, as you go through seeds of old varieties, keep one's eyes out.
* I say "I think" because I honestly don't know how vetches are USED in fodder agriculture. If they are just chopped up as whole plants I'm not sure how much beta is avaialble (especially since fodder like that is usually harvested BEFORE seed is ripe, I think). If it is mature seed. And for some reason, I don't think farmers are filling their animals feedbags with mature vetch seeds (especially since most are somewhat poisonous) I am aware that people used to grow and eat vetch seed as a supplemental foodstuff, but I though that sort of died out in most places a while ago (and most of the Orc vetches seem pretty modern breeding productions)
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Post by steev on Mar 23, 2017 0:54:31 GMT -5
Oh, damn; favas are kin to the wretched vetch; this is going to be a really nasty war of attrition. I knew I hated the vetch, but it didn't occur to me that a favored crop had such awful kin. How to bind the desired to me while exterminating her wretched cousins will be a challenge. Oh, well, what else have I got to do?
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Oct 13, 2017 1:36:59 GMT -5
blueadzuki, Did you ever get peas with orange cotelydons?
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Post by blueadzuki on Oct 13, 2017 6:47:19 GMT -5
I got the samples you sent, but they came too late to plant (or I ran out of room don't remember) so they won't be until next year.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Oct 13, 2017 10:49:10 GMT -5
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 11, 2018 2:38:16 GMT -5
I realized that for anyone i might have shared pea seed with this past fall, that if i happened to send you a bag of white seeds labeled "unknown" that SOME of the peas in there are the ones i requested and grew that had the orange-cotyledon gene if that is something you are interested in. gilbert, william, ethin. Can't remember who got any. Just know that if you did there might be some mixed in. |
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Post by gilbert on Jan 11, 2018 10:55:45 GMT -5
Interesting; I'll see what come up!
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Post by xdrix on Jun 10, 2020 14:26:55 GMT -5
The orange peas is the peas wich have the best prospered for me.
But theirent become orange when theirent dryng?
The beta caroten appears when the chlorophyl (green) is wear?
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jun 11, 2020 8:05:31 GMT -5
The orange peas is the peas wich have the best prospered for me. But theirent become orange when theirent dryng? The beta caroten appears when the chlorophyl (green) is wear? sorry for the confusion. There is a difference between 'ORC' and 'ORP' genes. 'ORC' stands for "Orange Cotyledons" and 'ORP' stands for "Orange-pod", in English. There is no linkage between orange cotyledons and orange pods. There is a linkage in one rare accession in JIC for Orc and orl (orange leaves), but that is about it. It turns out there is a new orange cotyledon cultivar working on coming to market. hodmedods.co.uk/blogs/news/flamingo-peas |
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